L25 : Xingu vs Sao Felix

[Edmundo]

Hi pseuda lovers,

Apart from stocklist and retail price, how can 1 tell or differentiate them?

Cheers

[SoToNgMaN]

Hi pseuda lovers,

Apart from stocklist and retail price, how can 1 tell or differentiate the diff?

Cheers
Want to break pple rice bowl ahh?

[Edmundo]

Want to break pple rice bowl ahh?

wana educate myself ah...... :) there bound to be some distinctive characteristic among them..... :)

[Hellsonic]

C the price u know liao...

Sao Felix sure more exp than the other...

[Edmundo]

C the price u know liao...

Sao Felix sure more exp than the other...

Hmmmm....... if diff L114 from L600, price is a good indication to id them most of the time...... but im not convince on L25 per se.... :)

[Edmundo]

Did a search on Rio Xingu river system..... came to reealise that Sao Felix is part of the entire Rio Xingu..... (now den i know :o)

http://encarta.msn.com/map_701516018/Xingu.html

Looks like oni coloration is a likely way to ID them..... l

ike brown is SF? jet black is from other part of Rio Xingu? :rolleyes:

[SoToNgMaN]

colouration not a good way lah ...

michael jackson become white ... Japanese now also tan black wat ...

[squeeze]

Hi pseuda lovers,

Apart from stocklist and retail price, how can 1 tell or differentiate them?

Cheers

Very good question, Bro. I would also like to know myself. If someone has this information, I hope that they can share. Don't take it with you to your grave :) Afterall, this is one of the main purpose of having this forum; to share information. Peace :)

[Edmundo]

colouration not a good way lah ...

michael jackson become white ... Japanese now also tan black wat ...

Any suggestion? lolx :p

Very good question, Bro. I would also like to know myself. If someone has this information, I hope that they can share. Don't take it with you to your grave :) Afterall, this is one of the main purpose of having this forum; to share information. Peace :)


Becos of ur words, i will try mine best to look for the answer! Cheers :)

[SoToNgMaN]

Don't take it with you to your grave :) Afterall, this is one of the main purpose of having this forum; to share information. Peace :)
Sao Felix ... one of Rios Xingu's tributaries ...

Why specifically only Sao felix == Light brown, deep red finages and long finages?

Environment? Diet? or purely genes resulting in Physical Difference?

A good example: Harbin, the capital of the Heilongjiang Province in Northeast China is famous for fair skinned ladies ... but do all of them have fair skin?

How about neighbour province of China ... Inner mongolia ... why so big difference in skin contrast?

Are you able to distinguish an ethic chinese from Singapore or malaysia merely by looks? (both wearing same sets of clothing & accessories) Humans so hard to find differentiate liao ... fish can?

Sao felix at times is a loosely used term to represent good looking L25 ... ie. Made in Japan == Good ...

Buying a Sao Felix == paying for a L25 that has attained a level of "quality acceptance" that one would see unique from other L25s .. able to maintain its glory is another thingy ... which explains the same for red aro .. u see deep red like ang pao .. bring home 2 months U still retain it is another thingy .. but at least u r assured that this specimen has shown u its potential to achieve that standard ...

In reality .. where the fish is really from Sao Felix .. only the fisherman know ... exporter also dunno ... talk less that of importer and LFS ...

Plainly "Made in Swiss" watch and "Made in China" watch why "Made in Swiss" better? both also tell time ... china quartz watch even more accurate than swiss automatic watch .. tell time less accurate leh .. swiss still better? U pay swiss for better craftsmanship, material quality and perhaps "image" building ... but aint a replica from china more cost effective? (not encouraging counterfeit goods)

In conclusion ... Sao felix is kinda like a branded L25 where u r paying for potential u can see ... while normal L25 is may or may not have potential ...

Discus works pretty much the same way ... a paired discus and breeding pair has its difference in pricing .. even few folds difference ...

Food for thought ...

P.S. Singapore land too expensive .. so most prob cannot afford gravestone ... maybe incinerate for me ... so can RIP liao ehh ?

[oonik]

but do all L25 sao felix 100% guarantee perfect in colouration, finnage and all of the above??? if not!!!!, not ..worth the $$$$ ...................IMO

[Edmundo]

but do all L25 sao felix 100% guarantee perfect in colouration, finnage and all of the above??? if not!!!!, not ..worth the $$$$ ...................IMO

imo generally 7 pointers..... full caudal or dorsal is additional...... :)

[SoToNgMaN]

but do all L25 sao felix 100% guarantee perfect in colouration, finnage and all of the above??? if not!!!!, not ..worth the $$$$ ...................IMO
if its a flawless L25 .. meaning 100% perfect in colouration, finnage and all of you have mentioned ... it'll 101% be a plastic fish .. :D

Perfection is not the word .. but rather good characteristics to look out for ..

Some stuff to look out in a L25 (Excluding basic health requirements):
- Spikes
- Finage Colouration
- Finage Length
- Finage Rays
- Fish length/proportion
- Spot contrasts
- Colouration contrasts

Best advertistment award *grinZ*

Exact answers of wat to look out for ... please stay tuned to PCS Exclusive Articles :D

[barmby]

Good post! I learnt. Thanks

Sao Felix ... one of Rios Xingu's tributaries ...

Why specifically only Sao felix == Light brown, deep red finages and long finages?

Environment? Diet? or purely genes resulting in Physical Difference?

A good example: Harbin, the capital of the Heilongjiang Province in Northeast China is famous for fair skinned ladies ... but do all of them have fair skin?

How about neighbour province of China ... Inner mongolia ... why so big difference in skin contrast?

Are you able to distinguish an ethic chinese from Singapore or malaysia merely by looks? (both wearing same sets of clothing & accessories) Humans so hard to find differentiate liao ... fish can?

Sao felix at times is a loosely used term to represent good looking L25 ... ie. Made in Japan == Good ...

Buying a Sao Felix == paying for a L25 that has attained a level of "quality acceptance" that one would see unique from other L25s .. able to maintain its glory is another thingy ... which explains the same for red aro .. u see deep red like ang pao .. bring home 2 months U still retain it is another thingy .. but at least u r assured that this specimen has shown u its potential to achieve that standard ...

In reality .. where the fish is really from Sao Felix .. only the fisherman know ... exporter also dunno ... talk less that of importer and LFS ...

Plainly "Made in Swiss" watch and "Made in China" watch why "Made in Swiss" better? both also tell time ... china quartz watch even more accurate than swiss automatic watch .. tell time less accurate leh .. swiss still better? U pay swiss for better craftsmanship, material quality and perhaps "image" building ... but aint a replica from china more cost effective? (not encouraging counterfeit goods)

In conclusion ... Sao felix is kinda like a branded L25 where u r paying for potential u can see ... while normal L25 is may or may not have potential ...

Discus works pretty much the same way ... a paired discus and breeding pair has its difference in pricing .. even few folds difference ...

Food for thought ...

P.S. Singapore land too expensive .. so most prob cannot afford gravestone ... maybe incinerate for me ... so can RIP liao ehh ?

[chilicrabz]

I hope we are not going to term a full red 7 point L25 as sao felix or a 3pt red as xingu.
Just like how taiwanese branded L600 from a LDA07 last time.

[lyh]

I think bro lizardking mentioned this to me and my bro sometime back. I'll ask him for you all if I see him again. :D

[Edmundo]

I think bro lizardking mentioned this to me and my bro sometime back. I'll ask him for you all if I see him again. :D

mentioned what?

[Edmundo]

I hope we are not going to term a full red 7 point L25 as sao felix or a 3pt red as xingu.
Just like how taiwanese branded L600 from a LDA07 last time.

Agreed...... cos i wanted to ask sotong...... looking at his L25 which is always show (tat bugger iin the bag waiting to be release).... it is 7 pointers with full caudal...... but tat fellow is n0t a sao felix L25. The object of this thread is more to educate myself n others on L25......

i have throw this qns at PF but sad to say no reply from Ang Moh as yet.... :(

[lyh]

mentioned what?

He was telling me and my bro on the differentiation between sao felix and i dunno where :o but since I'm not into pseudas I didn't listen much to it.

[SoToNgMaN]

Agreed...... cos i wanted to ask sotong...... looking at his L25 which is always show (tat bugger iin the bag waiting to be release).... it is 7 pointers with full caudal...... but tat fellow is n0t a sao felix L25. The object of this thread is more to educate myself n others on L25......

i have throw this qns at PF but sad to say no reply from Ang Moh as yet.... :(
Its not Sao Felix L25 .... its Sotong's L25 ...

so subsequently all L25s in plastic bag with 7 point and above 90% red caudal shall be named sotong's L25 .. :D

[Edmundo]

Its not Sao Felix L25 .... its Sotong's L25 ...

so subsequently all L25s in plastic bag with 7 point and above 90% red caudal shall be named sotong's L25 .. :D

slap u den u know...... ah! :D

there has got to be some ways of doing it right......... :rolleyes:

[Edmundo]

He was telling me and my bro on the differentiation between sao felix and i dunno where :o but since I'm not into pseudas I didn't listen much to it.

waste pple time explaining lar...... where is ur tat bro..... as him come maybe he still can recall something.... lolx :p

[SoToNgMaN]

waste pple time explaining lar...... where is ur tat bro..... as him come maybe he still can recall something.... lolx :p
U should ask lyh whether ken explained in hokkien or english ... cos if its in hokkien we understand that lyh has lingo barrier ...

[Edmundo]

Pcis derived from RVA wensite

Which is xingu which is Sao felix?
http://rva.jp/gallery/200402/2401.jpg

http://www.rva.ne.jp/pleco/jpg/20061013/33279-l.jpg

[SoToNgMaN]

Pcis derived from RVA wensite

Which is xingu which is Sao felix?
http://rva.jp/gallery/200402/2401.jpg

http://www.rva.ne.jp/pleco/jpg/20061013/33279-l.jpg
oei .. one in water .. another not in water leh ... colour contrast resulting from water refraction is already not fair loh ..

I also cannot sponsor picture leh ... else say wrong will break pple rice bowl .. say good pple say I kelong ... life hard for me leh ...

[Edmundo]

oei .. one in water .. another not in water leh ... colour contrast resulting from water refraction is already not fair loh ..

I also cannot sponsor picture leh ... else say wrong will break pple rice bowl .. say good pple say I kelong ... life hard for me leh ...

Oei... can means can lar..... kn0w how to swim throw into sea or pool or the same the lar.... anyway, guess right or wrong aso no prize but base on your own interpretation lar.....:p

[chilicrabz]

Bro, there arent much differences in these 2 pix, except for the body colour contrast. It's very hard to determine which is sao felix, which is xingu.
Even when we post 100 different pix, we still dunno.

Firstly, we need to know which part of xingu does the normal L25 comes from???
Isit far apart from the sao felix tributaries,
if yes, somehow or rather there are some physical differences, due to the diet, the minerals composition in the water, etc.

All fishes will somehow camouflage themselves to suit the surroundings, the only reason i can deduce is that, at Sao Felix, the sand composition are more reddish, this will turned them more brownish in nature, with lesser black markings on the body.

On the other hand, at the part of the xingu river, the water is more blackish, allowing them to hid away from predators or being detected easily, that is the reason why some L25 are jet black n have min. 3 points red.

This theory will only stand, if all fishes will change their body colour to suit the surroundings. However, this is just my deduction, not based on any facts.

Unless there are some distinct characteristics, till then we still can debate on.
Hopefully u are ok with my comment.
Cheers.

[SoToNgMaN]

Oei... can means can lar..... kn0w how to swim throw into sea or pool or the same the lar....
Show u international sign language ahh ...

Who say know how to swim throw into sea or pool the same ... u never trying swimming in open waters dun anyhow say hor ... uncle try before open waters one hor ... WTF when current come olympic star swimming also call mummy ahh I tell u ...

Dun believe ask our moustache man lah ... cos I've capsized my kyack (OBS adventure training .. think they scrapped this program liao ... cos many accidents) near international channels where big container ships and tankers crossed ... current almost pulled my whole kyack down ... lucky my legs stuck inside the kyack else I end up feeding sharks liao ...

Unless there are some distinct characteristics, till then we still can debate on.
Hopefully u are ok with my comment.
Cheers.

All contributions are well appreciated by all ...

[Edmundo]

Show u international sign language ahh ...

Who say know how to swim throw into sea or pool the same ... u never trying swimming in open waters dun anyhow say hor ... uncle try before open waters one hor ... WTF when current come olympic star swimming also call mummy ahh I tell u ...

Dun believe ask our moustache man lah ... cos I've capsized my kyack (OBS adventure training .. think they scrapped this program liao ... cos many accidents) near international channels where big container ships and tankers crossed ... current almost pulled my whole kyack down ... lucky my legs stuck inside the kyack else I end up feeding sharks liao ...



All contributions are well appreciated by all ...

i say can swim and n0t how well one can swim hor..... read carefully hor... lolx :p

[soltari007]

Bro... this is what limited knowledge I know abt Sao Felix type, and normal Xingu type.

1) Larger dorsal spread - like mega dragon fin vs cf. barrae
2) Brownish to orangy colour

Frankly it's just the dorsal that attracts me. Put side by side, same 7 pointer with full caudal and dorsal, i'll choose Sao Felix. But if I'm to choose between such quality of Xingu and a 3 pointer Sao Felix, I'll definitely go for the Xingu :)

[akoh]

Sao Felix ... one of Rios Xingu's tributaries ...

Why specifically only Sao felix == Light brown, deep red finages and long finages?

Environment? Diet? or purely genes resulting in Physical Difference?

A good example: Harbin, the capital of the Heilongjiang Province in Northeast China is famous for fair skinned ladies ... but do all of them have fair skin?

How about neighbour province of China ... Inner mongolia ... why so big difference in skin contrast?

Are you able to distinguish an ethic chinese from Singapore or malaysia merely by looks? (both wearing same sets of clothing & accessories) Humans so hard to find differentiate liao ... fish can?

Sao felix at times is a loosely used term to represent good looking L25 ... ie. Made in Japan == Good ...

Buying a Sao Felix == paying for a L25 that has attained a level of "quality acceptance" that one would see unique from other L25s .. able to maintain its glory is another thingy ... which explains the same for red aro .. u see deep red like ang pao .. bring home 2 months U still retain it is another thingy .. but at least u r assured that this specimen has shown u its potential to achieve that standard ...

In reality .. where the fish is really from Sao Felix .. only the fisherman know ... exporter also dunno ... talk less that of importer and LFS ...

Plainly "Made in Swiss" watch and "Made in China" watch why "Made in Swiss" better? both also tell time ... china quartz watch even more accurate than swiss automatic watch .. tell time less accurate leh .. swiss still better? U pay swiss for better craftsmanship, material quality and perhaps "image" building ... but aint a replica from china more cost effective? (not encouraging counterfeit goods)

In conclusion ... Sao felix is kinda like a branded L25 where u r paying for potential u can see ... while normal L25 is may or may not have potential ...

Discus works pretty much the same way ... a paired discus and breeding pair has its difference in pricing .. even few folds difference ...

Food for thought ...

P.S. Singapore land too expensive .. so most prob cannot afford gravestone ... maybe incinerate for me ... so can RIP liao ehh ?

Food availability and water parameter does have some effect on the body colouration eg L128 and L200 ! same plec ! only different river. Cheers ! :)

[SoToNgMaN]

Food availability and water parameter does have some effect on the body colouration eg L128 and L200 ! same plec ! only different river. Cheers ! :)
Jackpot for our zebra champion :D

environmental ambience and conditions plays a part in body colouration as well ...

ie. u put japan "char boh" on sunny beach ... "Tofu" also become "Tau Pok" ..

[Edmundo]

Jackpot for our zebra champion :D

environmental ambience and conditions plays a part in body colouration as well ...

ie. u put japan "char boh" on sunny beach ... "Tofu" also become "Tau Pok" ..

but tau pok after awhile without tanning will still become tofu....... :p

[SoToNgMaN]

but tau pok after awhile without tanning will still become tofu....... :p
"Tau Pok" back to "Tou Fu"?

very hard .. very hard to make soft .. :D

[Mudskippy]

I'm very simple, I dun care whether they are from sao felix or from xingu. Just like choosing arowanas, disregard of which farm the fish from, I just focus on the fish quality individually...:D

Whether the L25 from Sao Felix or Xingu, not reach my requirement, pointless to me...;)

[SoToNgMaN]

I'm very simple, I dun care whether they are from sao felix or from xingu. Just like choosing arowanas, disregard of which farm the fish from, I just focus on the fish quality individually...:D

Whether the L25 from Sao Felix or Xingu, not reach my requirement, pointless to me...;)
thats the way mate ...

so dun care "made in china", "made in japan" or even "made in singapore" .. as long as can perform to your requirements can liao ... :D

Point of this discussion isnt to bring down "Sao Felix L25" ... but to bring across a point that "Sao Felix L25" isnt any grade on top of "Xingu L25" neither the other way round ....

but mere price difference due to low amount of supply available for "Sao Felix L25" ...

[Mudskippy]

thats the way mate ...

so dun care "made in china", "made in japan" or even "made in singapore" .. as long as can perform to your requirements can liao ... :D

Point of this discussion isnt to bring down "Sao Felix L25" ... but to bring across a point that "Sao Felix L25" isnt any grade on top of "Xingu L25" neither the other way round ....

but mere price difference due to low amount of supply available for "Sao Felix L25" ...

Yes, however most ppl might think sao felix is better quality becoz of the higher price. IMO, personal preference...:)

[Edmundo]

Yes, however most ppl might think sao felix is better quality becoz of the higher price. IMO, personal preference...:)

i like this statement more........ :)

[Edmundo]

thats the way mate ...

so dun care "made in china", "made in japan" or even "made in singapore" .. as long as can perform to your requirements can liao ... :D

Point of this discussion isnt to bring down "Sao Felix L25" ... but to bring across a point that "Sao Felix L25" isnt any grade on top of "Xingu L25" neither the other way round ....

but mere price difference due to low amount of supply available for "Sao Felix L25" ...

actuali made in thailand or india maybe be hot n spicy as well leh.... :rolleyes:

The purpose of this thread is purely to ID the diff of this 2 individual and n0t dicussion of which is beta over which..... :)

[SoToNgMaN]

Yes, however most ppl might think sao felix is better quality becoz of the higher price. IMO, personal preference...:)
Thats the common misconcept .. and its part of our notion to educate ... where high price may not exactly represent quality ... but often due to availability ..

Referendum for comparison, L46 zebra ... why is it so costly? Becos of quality? Nope .. its becos brazil has it on banned list ...

i like this statement more........ :)
So u r implying that u dun like my statement lah ... :mad::mad::D

[akoh]

" Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder " :D

[desmondekker]

2 years late and this thread still made alot of sense.

[SoToNgMaN]

2 years late and this thread still made alot of sense.
conclusion of this thread ...

buy pleco irregardless of naming convention ... be it dragon-fin ... elephant nose ... Sao Felix ... Fairy-like lyretail ...

like it ... within budget ... good condition ... buy it ...

[Edmundo]

conclusion of this thread ...

buy pleco irregardless of naming convention ... be it dragon-fin ... elephant nose ... Sao Felix ... Fairy-like lyretail ...

like it ... within budget ... good condition ... buy it ...

well said...... i like ur L25, i have budget, i know good condition. how ah? :D

[Champ-BKK]

well said...... i like ur L25, i have budget, i know good condition. how ah? :D

you need to keep yr budget for yr kid. :D
If you got L25 then ship to me eiei.

[SoToNgMaN]

well said...... i like ur L25, i have budget, i know good condition. how ah? :D
no urgency for cash ...

though I dun mind exchanging the L25 for a condo @ D9 or D11 ....

let me know if this is within coverage of your budget .... :p

[drakeho]

Haha . I am also willing to trade my L25 for a condo too . :D Willing to give up to 2 L25 for an condo !!!

[ryannxs]

hi guys i dont think colour has anything to do with it, check these out

http://www.plecofanatics.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=30462

http://www.plecofanatics.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=33092

same fish! colour changed when i added another large 25

also i think colour and dorsal size have alot to do with sex according to a report i read from a guy who bred them on planet catfish. i think maybe in sao felix there is a high concentration of high quality fish and is more of a marketing tool than anything else?

[chilicrabz]

hi guys i dont think colour has anything to do with it, check these out

http://www.plecofanatics.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=30462

http://www.plecofanatics.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=33092

same fish! colour changed when i added another large 25

also i think colour and dorsal size have alot to do with sex according to a report i read from a guy who bred them on planet catfish. i think maybe in sao felix there is a high concentration of high quality fish and is more of a marketing tool than anything else?

Hi ryannx, the 1st pic looks like he has been stressed out. Maybe it's when u had intro a new fish inside, where he felt threatened. The 2nd pic looks more like its usual self.
Any news on your breeding???

[ryannxs]

i had that 25 for 6 months, always that colour. it was not untill i added the other one that it turned dark. no luck so fa with the 96's:(

[tx5]

love reading this debate of the L25 although im 5 years late!!:p