Bare tank or IOUS for plecos

[redsox]

Any bros who have experience in the 2 types of tanks can share the pros and cons of bare tank and IOUS in keeping plecos? I'm ordering 2 tier 4x2x2' tanks for plecos and would like some advice. Thanks!

[lyh]

I have not tried IOS tanks before but it has been part of my plan to get one. I personally think it can remove the poos better compared to OHF. My planned set up would be to have an IOS compartment and after that instead of returning the water back into the tank I'll pump it up into an OHF. :D

[peckio]

I used to have a 422 IOUS with 2 royals inside.
U'll still need to have current to sweep the poo to the underflow entrance, if not the system won't work that well.
What I did was to have a connection of pipes from the return pump to the opp side of the tank to direct the current to sweep the poo to the underflow entrance.
As I had substrate in the tank, the effect doesn't always work, as certain areas of substrate may be piled higher due to the plecos movement :p
My next target is to get a 6x2.5x2.5 with IOUS chamber on both sides of the tank, to house my red aro & a my Scobbies :D

[lyh]

I used to have a 422 IOUS with 2 royals inside.
U'll still need to have current to sweep the poo to the underflow entrance, if not the system won't work that well.
What I did was to have a connection of pipes from the return pump to the opp side of the tank to direct the current to sweep the poo to the underflow entrance.
As I had substrate in the tank, the effect doesn't always work, as certain areas of substrate may be piled higher due to the plecos movement :p
My next target is to get a 6x2.5x2.5 with IOUS chamber on both sides of the tank, to house my red aro & a my Scobbies :D

Bro you don't need 2 IOS lah. Use a powerhead but I don't know if your aro can take the current or not. If it's a pure pleco tank then the additional current will be good. They love current :D

[redsox]

I personally think it can remove the poos better compared to OHF.

I used to have a 422 IOUS with 2 royals inside.
U'll still need to have current to sweep the poo to the underflow entrance, if not the system won't work that well.
What I did was to have a connection of pipes from the return pump to the opp side of the tank to direct the current to sweep the poo to the underflow entrance.
As I had substrate in the tank, the effect doesn't always work, as certain areas of substrate may be piled higher due to the plecos movement :p


That's what I thought too; the underflow should be more effective to remove the poo. However, plecos are scavengers and slow eaters, I'm afraid all the food will be sweep towards the underflow before they have a chance to feast on them.

[Edmundo]

Any bros who have experience in the 2 types of tanks can share the pros and cons of bare tank and IOUS in keeping plecos? I'm ordering 2 tier 4x2x2' tanks for plecos and would like some advice. Thanks!

IMO, so long as the filtering ratio is approx 30% of the total volume, i believe things will be fine. The point to note is tat, when calculating volume of filter, a misconception is the isze of the filter..... in fact IMO shld be the volume of the media..... say 3 chamber in IOUS, often the last on is Pump, the 1st two "chamber' is media... so these medias shld cover at least 30% of the total tank volume.


Some other down side of IOUS, is decreasing the overall tank space (surface area), not advisable if you wana comm alot.... and again, if u decide to do a comm, can the filter handle it?

Notforgetting, maintenance, i find it harder to maintain comparing to OHF and cannister or sump.... why, for the top tier still ok, imagine the bottom tier where you need to squeeze ur hand thro the miserable gap to maintenance the waste..... alrt say you dun do it often.....u sure will suffer PH crash... chow chow 5-5.5....

if i can choose, IOUS is the last thing i will want to use if i know the tank will be overloaded....

422 is not a small tank....if space allows, go for both mechanical and biological system, dripping OHF(at least 3 tier)/Cannister plus a internal power head filter to siphon off poos and debris, maintain the mechanical filter every WC, dun touch much on the biological system....

currently i have a 2 tier also, top i run on dripping 4 tier OHF (media, CR,CC,BHomme,BHouse) the bottom is Tetra 120..... Top houses Aro and plecos and bottom is 3 miserable hypancistrus.... usually i just change water and change wool for OHF w/o touching the medie at all... i would say hassle free....

Cheers :)

[redsox]

IMO, so long as the filtering ratio is approx 30% of the total volume, i believe things will be fine. The point to note is tat, when calculating volume of filter, a misconception is the isze of the filter..... in fact IMO shld be the volume of the media..... say 3 chamber in IOUS, often the last on is Pump, the 1st two "chamber' is media... so these medias shld cover at least 30% of the total tank volume.


Some other down side of IOUS, is decreasing the overall tank space (surface area), not advisable if you wana comm alot.... and again, if u decide to do a comm, can the filter handle it?

Notforgetting, maintenance, i find it harder to maintain comparing to OHF and cannister or sump.... why, for the top tier still ok, imagine the bottom tier where you need to squeeze ur hand thro the miserable gap to maintenance the waste..... alrt say you dun do it often.....u sure will suffer PH crash... chow chow 5-5.5....

if i can choose, IOUS is the last thing i will want to use if i know the tank will be overloaded....

422 is not a small tank....if space allows, go for both mechanical and biological system, dripping OHF(at least 3 tier)/Cannister plus a internal power head filter to siphon off poos and debris, maintain the mechanical filter every WC, dun touch much on the biological system....

currently i have a 2 tier also, top i run on dripping 4 tier OHF (media, CR,CC,BHomme,BHouse) the bottom is Tetra 120..... Top houses Aro and plecos and bottom is 3 miserable hypancistrus.... usually i just change water and change wool for OHF w/o touching the medie at all... i would say hassle free....

Cheers :)

Thanks for the tips. My current 2 tier 3 footers are running Eheim 2028 and OHF. My intention to go for IOUS is because it is neater as I don't plan to use OHF in the new setups. I have another 2 sets of single tier 5x2x2 aro tanks running on Eheim 2260, the water is in very good condition.
I have thought of getting Eheim 2260 for the 4 footers but I have no space for the giant buckets as this is a 2 tier setup. It seems that I may have to use OHF if I want to go for bare tank. :(

[SoToNgMaN]

In all filtration systems ... there r pros and cons ... once again its up to users to weigh which is more convenient to themselves ..

Sumps be it provide more area for filter media .. does have its own problems as well ...
- Higher costing due to pipings and sump tank
- Bottom compartment is used .. so cant do double tier tanks .. etc

I would advice IOS instead of IOUS ... meaning without the under flow portion ... cos food bits or poo floating into filter compartment aint such a good thingy at all ... cos wat goes in has to come out .. else water parameters will flunctuate ... its a fact ... a wiser move it to siphon these unsightly stuff during water change that is usually once a week ..

I've lost one of my >12" L25 just about a month ago due to IOUS compartment clogged ... well .. this happened for the first time of 4 years usage for this tank ... but one would never expect bacteria house in IOUS to clog ... but I've only used bacteria house for IOUS for the past 6-8 months I recall ..

with IOUS doesnt mean that u r fixed to it ... u can always extend your filtration by merging it with other filtration methods .. like OHF .. or even canister ... all restricted by your own creativity ..

So comm fishes or not aint that much of issue I'll say for IOUS ...

[Edmundo]

In all filtration systems ... there r pros and cons ... once again its up to users to weigh which is more convenient to themselves ..

Sumps be it provide more area for filter media .. does have its own problems as well ...
- Higher costing due to pipings and sump tank
- Bottom compartment is used .. so cant do double tier tanks .. etc

I would advice IOS instead of IOUS ... meaning without the under flow portion ... cos food bits or poo floating into filter compartment aint such a good thingy at all ... cos wat goes in has to come out .. else water parameters will flunctuate ... its a fact ... a wiser move it to siphon these unsightly stuff during water change that is usually once a week ..

I've lost one of my >12" L25 just about a month ago due to IOUS compartment clogged ... well .. this happened for the first time of 4 years usage for this tank ... but one would never expect bacteria house in IOUS to clog ... but I've only used bacteria house for IOUS for the past 6-8 months I recall ..

with IOUS doesnt mean that u r fixed to it ... u can always extend your filtration by merging it with other filtration methods .. like OHF .. or even canister ... all restricted by your own creativity ..

So comm fishes or not aint that much of issue I'll say for IOUS ...

Who ask u got 8 hands aso lazi to do regular maintainence?

Agree on the part of creativity...... iz really dependant on individual.... depends on lifestyle aso..... if one is heng heng..... can use simple system and at most do more regular WC....servicing.... if one like most of us here, bo heng most of the time, spend on hassle free systems......

[Edmundo]

Thanks for the tips. My current 2 tier 3 footers are running Eheim 2028 and OHF. My intention to go for IOUS is because it is neater as I don't plan to use OHF in the new setups. I have another 2 sets of single tier 5x2x2 aro tanks running on Eheim 2260, the water is in very good condition.
I have thought of getting Eheim 2260 for the 4 footers but I have no space for the giant buckets as this is a 2 tier setup. It seems that I may have to use OHF if I want to go for bare tank. :(

OHF need time to mature aso.... hence best work togather with a internal powerhead filter to do the cleaning job..... overloading prior maturity of the system can be hazardous.... :)

i think 2028/tetra120 is good enuff for 422 tank... cos flowrate is 1200l/h. but pumping up from fllor level to the top tier may result in slower water flow... hence u may be a shelf/chair to put the 2028/tetra120.... Heiyuer used to have 3 tier 5ft OHF plus one 2028 for each 5footer..... champion.....

[redsox]

I would advice IOS instead of IOUS ... meaning without the under flow portion ... cos food bits or poo floating into filter compartment aint such a good thingy at all ... cos wat goes in has to come out .. else water parameters will flunctuate ... its a fact ... a wiser move it to siphon these unsightly stuff during water change that is usually once a week ..

with IOUS doesnt mean that u r fixed to it ... u can always extend your filtration by merging it with other filtration methods .. like OHF .. or even canister ... all restricted by your own creativity ..

David also advised only IOS when I called him to order the tanks. I will either go for IOS with Eheim 2028 or bare tank with OHF and Eheim 2028.

i think 2028/tetra120 is good enuff for 422 tank... cos flowrate is 1200l/h. but pumping up from fllor level to the top tier may result in slower water flow... hence u may be a shelf/chair to put the 2028/tetra120.... Heiyuer used to have 3 tier 5ft OHF plus one 2028 for each 5footer..... champion.....

Personally, I feel that Eheim 2028 is insufficient for 422 tank; the flow rate is just too weak. I've tried a 2028 for my bro's 422 aro tank, feel that it is not performing very well.
I also custom make a separate stand for the 2 canisters to counter the upper tier height problem. Now waiting patiently for my bro-in-law to fabricate the stands; he is working in a stainless steel company and all the stands in my house are custom made by him.

[Hellsonic]

For bare tank

I would think u be running overhead or canister filters for your plecos.. Depending on the quantities of plecos and their average size...
Be good for you to cover the silicons on the bottom area where the tank join together. Juz in case the plecos chew on it.

For IOUS if the plecos are small u mite wana put a netting on the part which water is being ****ed into the filtration area.. For IOUS,
It required frequent top up of water to prevent it being 'dried up' in the IOUS compartment.

In my views, it depends on your budget for filtration and then work out something frm there...

Most impt is the water quality and the ease of convenience for the owner when doing water change. Either way be good and depend wat u prefer.. and how many and sizes of plecos being kept

Happy Pleco-keeping

[redsox]

For bare tank

I would think u be running overhead or canister filters for your plecos.. Depending on the quantities of plecos and their average size...
Be good for you to cover the silicons on the bottom area where the tank join together. Juz in case the plecos chew on it.

For IOUS if the plecos are small u mite wana put a netting on the part which water is being ****ed into the filtration area.. For IOUS,
It required frequent top up of water to prevent it being 'dried up' in the IOUS compartment.

In my views, it depends on your budget for filtration and then work out something frm there...

Most impt is the water quality and the ease of convenience for the owner when doing water change. Either way be good and depend wat u prefer.. and how many and sizes of plecos being kept

Happy Pleco-keeping

David's pleco tank comes with bottom bracings. Thanks for highlighting the need to top up water due to evaporation for IOUS. I think also need to switch off the pump during water change.
The 422 tank is meant for a comm of about 20 to 25 3~5" ancistrus, hypancistrus, baryancistrus, peckotia with spotted silver dollars. The other 422 is for tank of 8 panaques of 4~8" with ERH and RH. There are currently in 3 footers which are overcrowded.
My main concern now would be space and esthetics. I would either have to sell the 2028s and get 2260s or add OHF to complement the 2028 in each tank.

[Edmundo]

David also advised only IOS when I called him to order the tanks. I will either go for IOS with Eheim 2028 or bare tank with OHF and Eheim 2028.



Personally, I feel that Eheim 2028 is insufficient for 422 tank; the flow rate is just too weak. I've tried a 2028 for my bro's 422 aro tank, feel that it is not performing very well.
I also custom make a separate stand for the 2 canisters to counter the upper tier height problem. Now waiting patiently for my bro-in-law to fabricate the stands; he is working in a stainless steel company and all the stands in my house are custom made by him.

tat fortunate of u... last time i aso g0t S/S stand lobang... but blowliao cos uncle retired...... keke :)

[redsox]

tat fortunate of u... last time i aso g0t S/S stand lobang... but blowliao cos uncle retired...... keke :)

I must really thank him for using his own time to fabricate the stands for me. His company don't entertain small orders; they are more towards big companies like pharmaceutical and food industries.

[peckio]

I must really thank him for using his own time to fabricate the stands for me. His company don't entertain small orders; they are more towards big companies like pharmaceutical and food industries.

So not much chances of getting your bro-in-law to extend his company's service to our club or that of other fish forums?
Maybe if there's a few consolidated orders, he can give it a thinker?

[redsox]

So not much chances of getting your bro-in-law to extend his company's service to our club or that of other fish forums?
Maybe if there's a few consolidated orders, he can give it a thinker?

David already asked me to check few years ago when he delivered my 5 footers. Bro-in-law said his boss is not keen and also very difficult to quote a price. He uses good quality SS which is true as I have compared his finished product with those elsewhere. Also, his workmanship is excellent.
For a 422, C328 quoted me $480, hence I gave $600 to my bro-in-law. I think not many bros want to pay this kind of price for SS stands.

[SoToNgMaN]

So not much chances of getting your bro-in-law to extend his company's service to our club or that of other fish forums?
Maybe if there's a few consolidated orders, he can give it a thinker?
Settle this through PM lah ... else later Eric kena harassed ahh ...

The only SS manufacturer I know that does commercial SS is near Mah motors at macpherson ... think its called Seng S.S. Maker or something like that ... do see more along AMK Ave 3 industrial towards Serangoon North ...
David already asked me to check few years ago when he delivered my 5 footers. Bro-in-law said his boss is not keen and also very difficult to quote a price. He uses good quality SS which is true as I have compared his finished product with those elsewhere. Also, his workmanship is excellent.
For a 422, C328 quoted me $480, hence I gave $600 to my bro-in-law. I think not many bros want to pay this kind of price for SS stands.
Prices of metals of present are still escalating ... perhaps that speaks for hard to quote price ..

[redsox]

Settle this through PM lah ... else later Eric kena harassed ahh ...

The only SS manufacturer I know that does commercial SS is near Mah motors at macpherson ... think its called Seng S.S. Maker or something like that ... do see more along AMK Ave 3 industrial towards Serangoon North ...

Prices of metals of present are still escalating ... perhaps that speaks for hard to quote price ..

Do check with them the grade of SS they are using, best is to ask for a sample before ordering. Some low grade ones will warp in a few years time.

The demand of metals have been increasing in the construction industry leading to escalating price.

[SoToNgMaN]

Do check with them the grade of SS they are using, best is to ask for a sample before ordering. Some low grade ones will warp in a few years time.

The demand of metals have been increasing in the construction industry leading to escalating price.
most end users like me cant tell between good quality SS .. and low quality SS ... though I've heard that 316 standard cant be magnetised and best for aquatic .. cos its marine standard ..

at max we can only tell from its finishing and welding ... other than that ... cant tell much of its grade and quality liao .. unless we r in the trade ...

[redsox]

most end users like me cant tell between good quality SS .. and low quality SS ... though I've heard that 316 standard cant be magnetised and best for aquatic .. cos its marine standard ..

at max we can only tell from its finishing and welding ... other than that ... cant tell much of its grade and quality liao .. unless we r in the trade ...

True, it is quite difficult for layman to tell the difference. However, the obvious diff that I can see is that my SS stands are all very shiny as compared to those I saw in LFS which are very dull.
I will ask my bro-in-law for tips on how to differentiate the grades on my next visit to his workshop.

[Edmundo]

True, it is quite difficult for layman to tell the difference. However, the obvious diff that I can see is that my SS stands are all very shiny as compared to those I saw in LFS which are very dull.
I will ask my bro-in-law for tips on how to differentiate the grades on my next visit to his workshop.

S/S can come in polished finish or hairline finish and etc... these does not diff the grade.... 304 is commonly used......i believe ur is 304.... i aso using and there are surface rust stain..... lol

[peckio]

Settle this through PM lah ... else later Eric kena harassed ahh ...

Will do so, Eric has already PMed me on some details.
But based on the pricing, thinking it's more feasible for me to get a cabinet set, where I can still have space to hide my fish stuff from my daughter's itchy fingers :p

[SoToNgMaN]

Will do so, Eric has already PMed me on some details.
But based on the pricing, thinking it's more feasible for me to get a cabinet set, where I can still have space to hide my fish stuff from my daughter's itchy fingers :p
Cabinets and SS stands r different things ... so cant compare ..

Good SS stands can last till yr daughter get married after shifting it around more than 10 times ...

but cabinet structures can hardly be shifted more than 3 times and its not as corrosive resistant

to hide stuff from your daughter .. can always modify the lower SS portion with doors wat ...

[peckio]

Cabinets and SS stands r different things ... so cant compare ..

Good SS stands can last till yr daughter get married after shifting it around more than 10 times ...

but cabinet structures can hardly be shifted more than 3 times and its not as corrosive resistant

to hide stuff from your daughter .. can always modify the lower SS portion with doors wat ...

Wait I tio Toto 1st, then everything also can.
Now the price of a SS stand is quite out of budget, somemore add in doors :eek:

[SoToNgMaN]

Wait I tio Toto 1st, then everything also can.
Now the price of a SS stand is quite out of budget, somemore add in doors :eek:
moustache man started the toto dream thingy ... then edmund follow .. next you ... so whois next?

stick to something more practical mah ... like sell backside :D

[redsox]

Cabinets and SS stands r different things ... so cant compare ..

Good SS stands can last till yr daughter get married after shifting it around more than 10 times ...

but cabinet structures can hardly be shifted more than 3 times and its not as corrosive resistant

to hide stuff from your daughter .. can always modify the lower SS portion with doors wat ...

My two 5 footer SS stands are more than 3 years old and there is no rust or stains at all. I bought a bottle of SS polisher but I hardly use it. My bro-in-law told me the stands can last me a life time.
I use perspex and velcro to cover the front of the stand.

[SoToNgMaN]

My two 5 footer SS stands are more than 3 years old and there is no rust or stains at all. I bought a bottle of SS polisher but I hardly use it. My bro-in-law told me the stands can last me a life time.
I use perspex and velcro to cover the front of the stand.
Another good point raised ... Fish keeping is only restricted by your CREATIVITY ...

Back in DB days .. we've filters made from rectangular flower pots ... and sedimentary section using granite rocks pple use for paving roads ... and it works real well ... but sadly granites thus leech or affect PH a little .. but doesnt matter much since that area is exposed to rain anyway ....

so wats next? Cooking woks and pans for filters? Believe your wife is gonna come after u soon right after ...

[redsox]

Pics of my SS stand with front perspex cover. The super strong velcros and pattern films are from HomeFix.

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/thum_14470ec8aec1c92.jpg

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/thum_14470ec8aee0429.jpg

[peckio]

Pics of my SS stand with front perspex cover. The super strong velcros and pattern films are from HomeFix.

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/thum_14470ec8aec1c92.jpg

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/thum_14470ec8aee0429.jpg

What's the current pricing for perspex & any shops to recommend to get them?

[redsox]

What's the current pricing for perspex & any shops to recommend to get them?

I don't have the address now but it is in one of the HDBs in Kelantan Road. I got it at ~$80 for 1 stand (2 pcs).
Just give them the size/thickness and they will cut for you.

[SoToNgMaN]

Veerasamy Block 633 or 632 ... opposite flea market direction ...

or another cheap alternative ..

get from "Art Friend" at Bras Basah if u dun mind cutting yourself .. but no variance of thickness and size ...

[peckio]

Veerasamy Block 633 or 632 ... opposite flea market direction ...

or another cheap alternative ..

get from "Art Friend" at Bras Basah if u dun mind cutting yourself .. but no variance of thickness and size ...

U mean "Art Friend" sells perspex, but only 1 thickness & size huh?
This is a good idea for my next setup, when I need to re-house my aro into a tank with a bigger width :D

[redsox]

Veerasamy Block 633 or 632 ... opposite flea market direction ...

or another cheap alternative ..

get from "Art Friend" at Bras Basah if u dun mind cutting yourself .. but no variance of thickness and size ...

Yes, it's Veerasamy Road. Thanks for the tip at Art Friend.

[SoToNgMaN]

Yes, it's Veerasamy Road. Thanks for the tip at Art Friend.
cos thats where my in-laws stay ... so I know very well .. wahahha

[redsox]

cos thats where my in-laws stay ... so I know very well .. wahahha

i see, that area also sells fluorescent tubes and eballasts at very good price.

[SoToNgMaN]

i see, that area also sells fluorescent tubes and eballasts at very good price.
somewhere near there also got a good and cheap tank maker .. known as Kwong Ling Framemaker ...

5 feet by 2 by 2 only $250 10mm :D but thats frenship price lah .. IOS or IOUS add $50 .. :D

[peckio]

somewhere near there also got a good and cheap tank maker .. known as Kwong Ling Framemaker ...

5 feet by 2 by 2 only $250 10mm :D but thats frenship price lah .. IOS or IOUS add $50 .. :D

This Kwong Ling Framemaker, do they do whole tank sets?
Like 2-tiers 522, etc?

[SoToNgMaN]

This Kwong Ling Framemaker, do they do whole tank sets?
Like 2-tiers 522, etc?
They do glass tanks ... even for customised ones .. like u provide tank plan ... they make for u ... want tampered glass also have ... black or clear silicon both have also ...

stand wise ... u have to find own lobang ..

[peckio]

They do glass tanks ... even for customised ones .. like u provide tank plan ... they make for u ... want tampered glass also have ... black or clear silicon both have also ...

stand wise ... u have to find own lobang ..

Ok, so even those 4.5ft, 5.5ft, they can also do lah?
Tankmakers from AF usually prefer hobbyists to order by the feet, or u pay the same price for a 4.5x2x2 as a 5x2x2 :p

[SoToNgMaN]

Ok, so even those 4.5ft, 5.5ft, they can also do lah?
Tankmakers from AF usually prefer hobbyists to order by the feet, or u pay the same price for a 4.5x2x2 as a 5x2x2 :p
that one I dunno .. cos odd sizes I've never tried before ..

[peckio]

that one I dunno .. cos odd sizes I've never tried before ..

Ok, let me save up the money 1st, then get u to bring me to the shop to order, since u old customer, they should give the same pricing :)

[SoToNgMaN]

Ok, let me save up the money 1st, then get u to bring me to the shop to order, since u old customer, they should give the same pricing :)
No prob bringing u over ... sms me loh .. :D

[redsox]

somewhere near there also got a good and cheap tank maker .. known as Kwong Ling Framemaker ...

5 feet by 2 by 2 only $250 10mm :D but thats frenship price lah .. IOS or IOUS add $50 .. :D

Hi Chris, is delivery included at this price?

[SoToNgMaN]

Hi Chris, is delivery included at this price?
Delivery not included ...

[Titus]

Couldn't help to see my fav tank setup being mentioned and have to join in.

I am a ****er for IOUS and luv it. That being said, it suits my style of keeping for plecos then. Caveat: One man's meat, another man's poision.

I used to house 12 pieces (at the peek) of ave 10 inchers L360s in a 2.5ft IOUS. It is a bare bottom tank with Coral Chips & BioHome+ as the only medium. Maintenance is weekly wool change and WC.

The water is crystal all the time. The Underflow does a lovely job of cleaning up the woody poo poo which is so charateristics of the L360s and Panas.

Btw, great to see so many bros still Pleco-ing!!! Cheers!!

[Edmundo]

Couldn't help to see my fav tank setup being mentioned and have to join in.

I am a ****er for IOUS and luv it. That being said, it suits my style of keeping for plecos then. Caveat: One man's meat, another man's poision.

I used to house 12 pieces (at the peek) of ave 10 inchers L360s in a 2.5ft IOUS. It is a bare bottom tank with Coral Chips & BioHome+ as the only medium. Maintenance is weekly wool change and WC.

The water is crystal all the time. The Underflow does a lovely job of cleaning up the woody poo poo which is so charateristics of the L360s and Panas.

Btw, great to see so many bros still Pleco-ing!!! Cheers!!

welcome abroad..... :)

mind sharing h0w the media is arrange?

[Titus]

welcome abroad..... :)

mind sharing h0w the media is arrange?

Thanks dude!!

Top Layer: Wool (for throwing and changing)
Middle Layer: Coral Chips
Bottom: Biohome+

water runs from top to bottom. always add a little easylife after wc :)

[peckio]

Thanks dude!!

Top Layer: Wool (for throwing and changing)
Middle Layer: Coral Chips
Bottom: Biohome+

water runs from top to bottom. always add a little easylife after wc :)

Good idea for my next tank change :)
Was thinking of getting a 2-tier setup, as my OC doesn't approve me getting another cabinet tank :p

Wanted to go with either:
a) Upper tier 4x2.5x2.5 bare tank, lower tier 3x2.5x2, so that I can have space on the lower tier for 2 cannister filters

b) Upper tier 4x2.5x2.5 IOUS tanks, lower tier 4x2.5x2 IOUS tanks.

Since Bro Titus' setup is working wonderfully, thinking choice b would be cheaper & more ideal.

Any comments, bros?

[redsox]

Good idea for my next tank change :)
Was thinking of getting a 2-tier setup, as my OC doesn't approve me getting another cabinet tank :p

Wanted to go with either:
a) Upper tier 4x2.5x2.5 bare tank, lower tier 3x2.5x2, so that I can have space on the lower tier for 2 cannister filters

b) Upper tier 4x2.5x2.5 IOUS tanks, lower tier 4x2.5x2 IOUS tanks.

Since Bro Titus' setup is working wonderfully, thinking choice b would be cheaper & more ideal.

Any comments, bros?

If you go for IOUS on 4 footers, it will not be ideal if you want to use it for aros in future.

[redsox]

I have finally received my 422 tanks from David. He even offered to cut and drill my existing 522 tank covers which are full length type to half. In the process of drilling my existing 522 covers, he broke 1 piece and replaced me with a new one.

David really provides excellent service to customers; highly recommended for pleco lovers as he has very nice bottom bracing to protect against pleco chewing on the silicon.

[peckio]

I have finally received my 422 tanks from David. He even offered to cut and drill my existing 522 tank covers which are full length type to half. In the process of drilling my existing 522 covers, he broke 1 piece and replaced me with a new one.

David really provides excellent service to customers; highly recommended for pleco lovers as he has very nice bottom bracing to protect against pleco chewing on the silicon.

Yah, his service not bad, but unfortunately, he doesn't offer 0% interest-free instalments, so always need to put aside sufficient money before ordering tanksets from him :p

[SoToNgMaN]

I have finally received my 422 tanks from David. He even offered to cut and drill my existing 522 tank covers which are full length type to half. In the process of drilling my existing 522 covers, he broke 1 piece and replaced me with a new one.

David really provides excellent service to customers; highly recommended for pleco lovers as he has very nice bottom bracing to protect against pleco chewing on the silicon.
Picture please .. :D

[Titus]

Yah, his service not bad, but unfortunately, he doesn't offer 0% interest-free instalments, so always need to put aside sufficient money before ordering tanksets from him :p

Got 0% interest-free? Who so good give that? interested le.. hehe

[SoToNgMaN]

Got 0% interest-free? Who so good give that? interested le.. hehe
Courts Mammoth Mart loh ... :D

[Titus]

Good idea for my next tank change :)
Was thinking of getting a 2-tier setup, as my OC doesn't approve me getting another cabinet tank :p

Wanted to go with either:
a) Upper tier 4x2.5x2.5 bare tank, lower tier 3x2.5x2, so that I can have space on the lower tier for 2 cannister filters

b) Upper tier 4x2.5x2.5 IOUS tanks, lower tier 4x2.5x2 IOUS tanks.

Since Bro Titus' setup is working wonderfully, thinking choice b would be cheaper & more ideal.

Any comments, bros?

Bro u got space for a 5x2.5? If have, would highly recommend that combi with IOUS. Mus consider up to 6 inches or even 8 inches (some design) is taken for the IOUS. Effectively, your 4ft only has 3ft plus. Thus, 5ft make better sense for future projects :)

[Titus]

Courts Mammoth Mart loh ... :D

Wah... Courts got IOUS tank with Galv stand?... :D :D

[redsox]

Picture please .. :D

As requested. :)

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/14472fbf53aa3b2.jpg

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/14472fbf5386a9b.jpg

[lyh]

That stainless steel stand makes the set-up look so neat. thumbs up!

[Titus]

As requested. :)

Darn nice looking stands manz... Chrome chrome... Bro, can pm the price of the stand?

[redsox]

That stainless steel stand makes the set-up look so neat. thumbs up!

Thanks, the SS stand do make a difference compared to wrought iron; highly recommended. ;)

[redsox]

Darn nice looking stands manz... Chrome chrome... Bro, can pm the price of the stand?

The stand is custom made by my bro-in-law, the one and only in SGP. I gave him $600. :D

[SoToNgMaN]

The stand is custom made by my bro-in-law, the one and only in SGP. I gave him $600. :D
$600 ... pain ahh ...

But for something that'll last half a decade ... I dun see why not ...

[redsox]

$600 ... pain ahh ...

But for something that'll last half a decade ... I dun see why not ...

Sometimes things are more expensive if you engage your relatives or friends service. If you give too little, people will say you are petty; on the other hand, your wallet will suffer if you want things to look good. However, I would rather choose the later. :)

[peckio]

Sometimes things are more expensive if you engage your relatives or friends service. If you give too little, people will say you are petty; on the other hand, your wallet will suffer if you want things to look good. However, I would rather choose the later. :)

U quite ok lah, sometimes relatives or family may even jack up prices lor :(
Cos they think that since u may not know market rate, whatever they quote should be reasonable as family, family mah :p

[redsox]

U quite ok lah, sometimes relatives or family may even jack up prices lor :(
Cos they think that since u may not know market rate, whatever they quote should be reasonable as family, family mah :p

I concurred with what you have said. But I'm referring to things in general, not my SS stand lah. Actually, my bro-in-law only wanted to charge me material, but i don't feel good so gave him more.

[SoToNgMaN]

U quite ok lah, sometimes relatives or family may even jack up prices lor :(
Cos they think that since u may not know market rate, whatever they quote should be reasonable as family, family mah :p

I would say its subjective lah ... one kind of rice feed all types of pple ... the same applies for pros and cons for getting from family members.

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my family members 80% deal with watches ... so almost impossible that they'll get watches from me anyway ...

Close friends getting watches from me ... would sometimes say ... how come u offer $110 for seiko stainless steel automatic watch and other pple in chinatown offer only $85 ... close friends should be cheaper mah .. how come u charge higher?

$110 is with original international guarantee from Thong Sia (Singapore's sole authorised distributor) .. in layman "top crop" goods. My cost price already $105 so how can $85?

So $85 from chinatown would likely be parallel import goods or even off-QC goods that I will not elaborate ...

Of cos if I am able to get bulk discount or even batch discounts I'll relieve the discount back to them .. but will never reflect that in my initial quotes cos I dun have concrete standings on the price.

End of the day .. its understanding and knowing of that individual ...

btw paying school fees of a few hundred dollars to know someone better is considered cheap liao loh ... :D

[Loopy]

I have a champion question, what is IOUS stand for?

[akoh]

Let me try !

IOUS = Internal Over and Under-flow System :D