Pairing 2 LDA 65?

[michael lai]

Hi all,
Wanted to check if anyone tried?? I mean adults specimens. I was looking at my fish last night and he was like 'get me a mate kinda of look'. Maybe change the tank to 6x2.5x2 and video everything:p. Hmm....anyway just curious, please share, all panaque lovers. All info welcome no matter how minute! like get a bigger female or stuff like that...

[SoToNgMaN]

Hi all,
Wanted to check if anyone tried?? I mean adults specimens. I was looking at my fish last night and he was like 'get me a mate kinda of look'. Maybe change the tank to 6x2.5x2 and video everything:p. Hmm....anyway just curious, please share, all panaque lovers. All info welcome no matter how minute! like get a bigger female or stuff like that...
Paging Moustache man ...

[celticfish]

michael & akoh,
i volunteer to contribute my pond space for you to try breeding. :D
i have just taken some pictures of the pond and will post up here(?).
not too sure if its suitable but you should have an idea of the layout.

[SoToNgMaN]

michael & akoh,
i volunteer to contribute my pond space for you to try breeding. :D
i have just taken some pictures of the pond and will post up here(?).
not too sure if its suitable but you should have an idea of the layout.
ehh .. concrete or mud pond?

if mud pond then game over liao ... end up next door .. rofl ..

[celticfish]

concrete.
inhabitants now are -
two adult albino oscar
about 8 pcs of comets (cheap goldfish)
and lots of guppies
deepest points just above the knee so its not too deep

[celticfish]

okay here are the pictures...

pond
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194772115748f3c.jpg

top view
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/119477211577e866.jpg

another top view
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/11947721157b44b1.jpg

filter area (depth about 2.5' to 3')
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/11947721230053f6.jpg

cascade
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/119477212303680b.jpg

[michael lai]

Sotong, this one then property tychoon lah, not me..:D

[SoToNgMaN]

Sotong, this one then property tychoon lah, not me..:D
Pple like me ahh ... 4 room telok blangah must scratch head already ... look at this ... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[jja]

Hi all,
Wanted to check if anyone tried?? I mean adults specimens. I was looking at my fish last night and he was like 'get me a mate kinda of look'. Maybe change the tank to 6x2.5x2 and video everything:p. Hmm....anyway just curious, please share, all panaque lovers. All info welcome no matter how minute! like get a bigger female or stuff like that...

bro yours a male or female?

[lyh]

michael & akoh,
i volunteer to contribute my pond space for you to try breeding. :D
i have just taken some pictures of the pond and will post up here(?).
not too sure if its suitable but you should have an idea of the layout.

Bro your contribution will mark the start of our long waiting experiment. See moustache man want to breed lda 65 or xingu. The ball is in his side now :D

[SoToNgMaN]

Bro your contribution will mark the start of our long waiting experiment. See moustache man want to breed lda 65 or xingu. The ball is in his side now :D
think both male & female ... moustache man also have ahh ... wahhahaha ..

[michael lai]

bro yours a male or female?

Hi jja,
It's a male, not sure whether can put 2 together or not. Dun wan wait like clash of the titans, wife already screaming because too many tanks so gotta plan carefully..heehee for this project.

[jja]

Hi jja,
It's a male, not sure whether can put 2 together or not. Dun wan wait like clash of the titans, wife already screaming because too many tanks so gotta plan carefully..heehee for this project.


think mine is male.. got to confirm again.... hehe

[jja]

anyway how many adult LDA 65 owners are there in the forum huh?

[lyh]

anyway how many adult LDA 65 owners are there in the forum huh?

Maybe let's post a headcount of those interested in this experiment :D

[michael lai]

Ok cool, thinking of video-ing this. Pet project.:p

1)Me-Michael Lai

[akoh]

Paging Moustache man ...

Mike ! see what you have done ! :D

For LDA65, I have male and female ! :D BUT ! BUT ! can only contribute the female for the " breeding program ". :D

For Xingu Platinum, I got 2 males ! with very long chew chew ! :D :D.

[lyh]

Hi jja,
It's a male, not sure whether can put 2 together or not. Dun wan wait like clash of the titans, wife already screaming because too many tanks so gotta plan carefully..heehee for this project.

Mike ! see what you have done ! :D

For LDA65, I have male and female ! :D BUT ! BUT ! can only contribute the female for the " breeding program ". :D

For Xingu Platinum, I got 2 males ! with very long chew chew ! :D :D.

Champion! Now we have one male and one female, so bro akoh what is the ratio for them to breed? 4 male is to 1 female? :D

[akoh]

Champion! Now we have one male and one female, so bro akoh what is the ratio for them to breed? 4 male is to 1 female? :D

No experience on panaque breeding ! but reckon if the condition is right ! a pair is good enuff ! but may have to minimise the " pond mate " ! :(

[lyh]

No experience on panaque breeding ! but reckon if the condition is right ! a pair is good enuff ! but may have to minimise the " pond mate " ! :(

Bro with your female and bro michael lai male lda 65, what we need now is to wait for bro celticfish green light and we can sit down and choose an auspicious date for this experiment. I think we need to record down all details for this experiment :D

[akoh]

Reckon its gonna take them a couple of months before they get down to business ! hence it is more than just the date ! there are other matters like !
- Feeding
- Maintenance
- Monitoring the breeding program etc

[michael lai]

Yup, yup..I was thinking also using tank because we could;
1)video everything
2)water parameters within our control
3)ease of maintenance due to smaller parameters.

Am also curious to how big plecs breed, since most of our data is on small plecs only....

[lyh]

Yup, yup..I was thinking also using tank because we could;
1)video everything
2)water parameters within our control
3)ease of maintenance due to smaller parameters.

Am also curious to how big plecs breed, since most of our data is on small plecs only....

Bro actually I like the idea of using a tank for filming and recording but then if we were to use a tank, we got to have a really big tank. I have discussed this with another bro before and we think the base area could be an important factor affecting breeding

[michael lai]

Mike ! see what you have done ! :D

For LDA65, I have male and female ! :D BUT ! BUT ! can only contribute the female for the " breeding program ". :D

For Xingu Platinum, I got 2 males ! with very long chew chew ! :D :D.

Bro, I remember you separated them into 2 compartments previously, do they fight when not in breeding mode?
Well its bound to happen sometime, with so many LDA65 owners around in singapore. If it happens, it'll be a first. I think one of the best thing you could contribute back to our hobby.

[michael lai]

Bro actually I like the idea of using a tank for filming and recording but then if we were to use a tank, we got to have a really big tank. I have discussed this with another bro before and we think the base area could be an important factor affecting breeding

I concur, was also toying with the idea of renting a pond from Mal or some farm owner. The concrete pond would be great actually, just the logistics and the manpower we need to iron out....:o:rolleyes:

[celticfish]

hey guys,
you can come over and view the pond first.
then you can decide if its suitable.

lets put the red dot on the map!

[michael lai]

You sure? Irvin. Dun wanna to impose as surveilance or observation is most likely required....

[celticfish]

no worries michael.
we can check the suitability of the pond first.
i'm sure some work needs to be done.
details can work out later.
also, i have a guard dog... although its only a pomeranian.
but the bark always wakes me up!!!
even without the dog, the security from the neighbours is good.

off hand, i'm wondering if some kind of cctv is possible.
or an underwater camera for confirmation of spawn.

[akoh]

Bro, I remember you separated them into 2 compartments previously, do they fight when not in breeding mode?
Well its bound to happen sometime, with so many LDA65 owners around in singapore. If it happens, it'll be a first. I think one of the best thing you could contribute back to our hobby.

Bro, they whacked all over the shop ! until no choice have to put the partition ! even with the partition up they still push nose to nose ! :D well ! maybe that is their courtship dance lor ! :D :D

[SoToNgMaN]

Bro with your female and bro michael lai male lda 65, what we need now is to wait for bro celticfish green light and we can sit down and choose an auspicious date for this experiment. I think we need to record down all details for this experiment :D
any possibility of she-male LDA65?

[lyh]

any possibility of she-male LDA65?

This you got to ask bro akoh cos he is going to provide the female :D

Now that we have the fish lets set a date to meet up and discuss about this! It is getting very exciting :D

[peckio]

Bro Celticfish's pond looks good for most freshwater fishes, so if he's willing to contribute to this project, it may be a good advert for our club, if we also manage to setup video footage or a live webcam link for pleco lovers all over to monitor the progress :)

[celticfish]

anytime after 12 noon on saturday or sunday is good! :)

[akoh]

This weekend is out for me coz' on officiating duty for the ACE Invitation Swimming Championship, Toa Payoh Pool, 9am to 5 pm on 29th & 30th Dec 2007.

Mike ! what you reckon ? :D

[michael lai]

Err...can't do this alone leh, both parents must be present to view the hostel. Let's do it when we are both free, need to discuss also on the logistics with you. The observation part, digital video cam or underwater cam. Not too worried about the feeding costs but the cam might cost a bit, also maybe discuss how best to achieve the comfort zone for all parties, it's a district 9 house after all hor:D.

[celticfish]

no hurry.
new years day afternoon also can.
or most weekends.
once you guys are okay we can check out the suitability.
and maybe discuss some possible monitoring device/system.

[celticfish]

michael,
why dont you firm a date for checking with akoh.
with regards to visits shouldnt be a problem for the "parents".
there's always someone at home so you can always drop by.
just a minor intro to my house members.

some information on the pond.
there is a filter/pump "cave" that is covered.
so it could possibly act as the spawning cave too.
you will have a better idea when you see it.
only concern i have is the pump being in their way when they do the nasty...

[HeiYuEr]

woot....amazing :eek: :eek:

[michael lai]

no hurry.
new years day afternoon also can.
or most weekends.
once you guys are okay we can check out the suitability.
and maybe discuss some possible monitoring device/system.

Ok, thanks. In the meantime, I'll be doing some research on their mating behavior. Will be back to you soon.;)

[NKS8]

wa pcs advancing into pleco porno!!!. ok back to serious note, from experience, 2 pieces of giant will always lead to WWF, however, with more giants in a tank, the fighting seem much less intense. quite similar to aro comm...

[akoh]

My concern is more the depth of the pond ! deeper better ! :)

[Edmundo]

This pond seem great to breed L14s .............. :)

btw, breeding LDA65 is hiighly recommended at least can concrete the fact if L203 is juv of LDA65........... Bring it on Peanut cake lovers..... :D

[michael lai]

wa pcs advancing into pleco porno!!!. ok back to serious note, from experience, 2 pieces of giant will always lead to WWF, however, with more giants in a tank, the fighting seem much less intense. quite similar to aro comm...

Hmm...where to find so many adult LDA65? Also not all owners might be game for it since it's untested grounds and the risks involved.:o

[lyh]

Hmm...where to find so many adult LDA65? Also not all owners might be game for it since it's untested grounds and the risks involved.:o

How about the ratio? Must there be more males or females in this case? :confused:

[akoh]

Ideally should be more male, so that she can single out the alpha male or males :D

[SoToNgMaN]

Ideally should be more male, so that she can single out the alpha male or males :D
isnt more males == more fights?

[Edmundo]

isnt more males == more fights?

i think no la........... diff male diff taste mah.......... :D

[akoh]

isnt more males == more fights?

Yes, my adult male zebra oso fight ! sometime fight until the side of their tummy got wounds !. In fact all animals do ! :D

[michael lai]

Sorry MIA for a while, my baby(LDA065) caught a case of dun noe wat and is recuperating now. Sunken eyes being only the visible symtoms. After consultation with Mr "in house LDA65 Guru" Allen, he is slowly but surely showings signs of recovery. Keeping my fingers cross now.....:o

[celticfish]

hope it gets better michael.
btw i always hear about sunken eyes and stomachs.
are plecos that susceptable to infections?
i would think that well maintained water conditions would be enough.
are there other points/parameters that cause these?
sorry large pleco nubie here... :p

[michael lai]

Erm..it has been said PH fluctuations are bad for them. The main suspect here I think. Let's see what the others think...

[akoh]

Mike, glad to hear that it's getting better !.:)

The key in plecoing is " champion quality water " hence can not cut back on maintenance work ( pwc, service & change filter stuffs etc ) and go easy on the feeding. :)

[michael lai]

Bad news, brethrens! My baby has passed on:( It suddenly took a turn for the worst and I woke up to a ......before it pass away, the fins started to lose alittle color at the edge....

[SoToNgMaN]

Bad news, brethrens! My baby has passed on:( It suddenly took a turn for the worst and I woke up to a ......before it pass away, the fins started to lose alittle color at the edge....
sheesh ... condolences ...

[celticfish]

OMG!
sorry for the news michael... :(

[akoh]

Bad news, brethrens! My baby has passed on:( It suddenly took a turn for the worst and I woke up to a ......before it pass away, the fins started to lose alittle color at the edge....

Mike ! sorry ! I can feel it too coz he was my first LDA65 and have been with me for at least 5 yrs. :(

[y_man]

Bad news, brethrens! My baby has passed on:( It suddenly took a turn for the worst and I woke up to a ......before it pass away, the fins started to lose alittle color at the edge....

Sad man.... when my LDA65 died, wanted to give up plecos totally. Too heart-broken to carry on....... Don't despair n give up hope.

[michael lai]

Thank you all for the kind words, yes I've grown very attached to the bugger as he was the guy who sees me when I go to work(early in the morning ) and when I come back in the middle of the nite. I guess some things are meant to be......:o

[peckio]

So sad to hear this, was actually looking forward to our very 1st local pairing of giant LDA65...

[michael lai]

I guess that would have to be shelved temporarily, unless someone else wants to take up the mantle...:o

[SilverDub]

I was reading this thread with great anticipaition, waiting for pics and updates on prospect of the momentous occassion, and then like a movie it ended so tragically.

Its really painful when good companions move on....