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Let me try and straighten this confusion ! according to my old plec school, L046, L098 and L173 are Hypancistrus zebra. The only difference among them is :
L046 - has regular straight stripes
L098 - broken stripes
L173 - wavy, irregular and broken stripes
BUT ONE THING REMAIN THE SAME ! THE EYES IS ALWAY WHITE ! . This eye colouration also apply to Panaque.
Those I saw earlier in C328 are not L173 ! their eyes are brown and from the plan view the head structure look more like L333 !.
Anybodies got other theory to enlighten me ! :D
Edmundo
29-08-2008, 12:19 AM
abang, before you called me, i was talking to lawrence, "the L333s, allen got to take it with a pitch of salt, cos it maybe Porto do Moz or Belo Monte or lower xingu". As expected you called me, and ask me where it is. Keke :p
Frankly think you are busy with diving and this issue was brought up since early this month. i believes hundred of this "L173" were sold in local market which apparantly are those tat i mentioned above.
If you were to mentioned earlier, there is a geniue batch of L333 new alenquer 2 weeks ago at c328. with a frd, we fish out couple of Porto do moz from the L333, leaving behind 3" plus specimen............ will keep a watchful eyes for u.
Wonder who is the a****le that assign this L number to this plec and cause all the confusion !. I still think that the shipment of so-called L173 is not hypancistrus Zebra !, I will sms Ingo on this L173 !
Oh yah ! C328 "sister" ( cannot address her as aunties coz' I definitely older than her ) told me today got shipment ! hopefully got L333s ! champion ! :D
Edmundo
29-08-2008, 10:24 AM
Wonder who is the a****le that assign this L number to this plec and cause all the confusion !. I still think that the shipment of so-called L173 is not hypancistrus Zebra !, I will sms Ingo on this L173 !
Who else? mus be the exporter la............. :)
Gecko
29-08-2008, 11:29 AM
Bro
U really too bz past couple of months on your machines....
3 or 4 new spp. were discovered, collectively grouped into Hypancistrus Sp. (lower xingu). The exporters labeled them L173 (nks a while back had a batch as L236 on the shipping list) to command a high price and demand. L173 cost 2xL46, L236 cost 3xL46 in aquabid or at least priced by Imer of Germany. L173 and L236 are too rare to be in the region of $50!
I noticed that my L173 ($500 few years back from QH via Japan when L46 was priced at $228, true one not cheong one) is bulkier, elongated tail, and eyes have more black and the whites are getting lesser as it grows big, it is TL 4" now. Imer pmed me about my L173 source when I posted in PF.
See this:
Post #8
http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/s...u+hypancistrus
http://www.plecofanatics.com/article...ntry.php?e=323
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog...pecies_id=1342
Gecko
29-08-2008, 11:31 AM
Oh yah ! C328 "sister" ( cannot address her as aunties coz' I definitely older than her ) told me today got shipment ! hopefully got L333s ! champion ! :D
Hahaha....I should call her mei mei too....:o
didn't "they" know that L173 already taken 14 yrs ago ! :mad: the repeated labelling really screw thing up !
SoToNgMaN
29-08-2008, 02:38 PM
abang, before you called me, i was talking to lawrence, "the L333s, allen got to take it with a pitch of salt, cos it maybe Porto do Moz or Belo Monte or lower xingu". As expected you called me, and ask me where it is. Keke :p
Wat u talking ...
I only know of Portobello Mushrooms ...
celticfish
29-08-2008, 06:32 PM
akoh,
Now that you are "back" to the smaller pleco species its time to catch-up! :D
I am now of the opinion that the Belo Monte, Porto De Moz and Lower Xingu area is riddled with Hypancistrus species.
For all you know some of the "old" numbers actually came from here and are now being "re-identified" or "miss identified".
And the fact that DATZ uses one picture to represent each number doesn't help.
Mention have been made that if the pictured specimen was unusually magnificent or an abberation we may be chasing for the "Holy Grail" for a species that does not exist! :rolleyes:
This month approximately marks the two years that I've been plecoing with the zebras.
And I'm really just a gabra as yesterday!! :D
Gecko
29-08-2008, 11:36 PM
I am now of the opinion that the Belo Monte, Porto De Moz and Lower Xingu area is riddled with Hypancistrus species.
For all you know some of the "old" numbers actually came from here and are now being "re-identified" or "miss identified".
L66 and L333 - I think there are a few spp. grouped together here....
And the fact that DATZ uses one picture to represent each number doesn't help.
Mention have been made that if the pictured specimen was unusually magnificent or an abberation we may be chasing for the "Holy Grail" for a species that does not exist! :rolleyes:
L250 - I really wonder....what happened after the first few were discovered...thereafter no sound no picture:D
Edmundo
30-08-2008, 12:19 AM
didn't "they" know that L173 already taken 14 yrs ago ! :mad: the repeated labelling really screw thing up !
Chilled it. Jus like showbiz, no controversy the "stars" will fade away easily. Frankly with all these recently commotion going on, i see that the community grow in term of knowledge on hypancistrus species. :)
One the other hand, i would like to ask, how accurate are our pleco books or Are wat they published accurate? :confused:
Gecko
09-09-2008, 09:07 PM
Akoh
the eyes always white theory might be you have seen some wavy zebras instead. Look at this site and look up the L173s.
IMHO, these are the true L173 but check out their eyes...
http://www.aquariumglaser.de/en/fish.php?parent_id=18&lang=en
Akoh
the eyes always white theory might be you have seen some wavy zebras instead. Look at this site and look up the L173s.
IMHO, these are the true L173 but check out their eyes...
http://www.aquariumglaser.de/en/fish.php?parent_id=18&lang=en
Yes, those are hypan ! but definitely not L173 ZEBRA ( coz' the eyes are brown and one has the omega shade ) ! they can label whatever they like but WE can't be mislead by them !. I did my research and The only way THEY can prove me wrong is breed the " so-called L173 " and a normal L46 because x-breed is almost impossible from different species even they are from same hypan family ( So far there are only 1 or 2 very unique case of x-breeding ). Cheers !
Another thing I want to question is their informatiom accuracy ! they said maximum szie for "so-called L173" is 12cm ! that is about 5 " ! :eek:. My day 1 zebra which is 14 yrs old is only about touching 4" only and that is T to T !. :)
Take a closer look at Ben's pic:
http://www.plecofanatics.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=101
leezard
10-09-2008, 10:41 PM
Another thing I want to question is their informatiom accuracy ! they said maximum szie for "so-called L173" is 12cm ! that is about 5 " ! :eek:. My day 1 zebra which is 14 yrs old is only about touching 4" only and that is T to T !. :)
akoh, 14yrs zebra. dammit, RESPECT:cool:
Gecko
10-09-2008, 11:07 PM
Uncle, L173 no longer considered Hypancistrus zebra hoh...:p
Don't understand those jokers ! L173 has been using as the L number for L046 variant ! for at least 15 yrs now ! why change and screw up the L number ! *sign*. What's next L098 ? :(
Edmundo
11-09-2008, 02:40 PM
Uncle, L173 no longer considered Hypancistrus zebra hoh...:p
So L173 is another independent hypancistrus species and not a vairiant of zebra?
Gecko
11-09-2008, 06:48 PM
So L173 is another independent hypancistrus species and not a vairiant of zebra?
Yes, thats right. Check out planetcatfish, for e.g.
barmby
12-09-2008, 03:33 PM
akoh, 14yrs zebra. dammit, RESPECT:cool:
Yes. My respect too. Your water is 100% clean plus clean room environment. Just like little dragon girl who does not age due to the environment she lived in.
Cheers
celticfish
12-09-2008, 04:18 PM
WAHAHAHA...
That's some analogy you gave bramby! :D
I had a good laugh.
Thanks!
SilverDub
08-06-2009, 08:47 AM
Interesting thread, I am not educated enough in these species to contribute.
However I feel strongly that the DATZ & Aqualog system are badly flawed.
Unless an icthyologist is present at the time and place of capture then the 'information from the fisherman/exporters' will always be potentially in accurate. Especially when the values are so high on some of these very rare species.
I have had F1 L173 from Glasers last year. I know longer have them but know where they are. I will try to get some pictures of them to contribute to the thread.
celticfish
08-06-2009, 01:58 PM
L173... you're making me drool!
Whats the price and size they charge for these babies?
I totally agree with you on the Aqualog and DATZ part.
Its certainly not as "fool proof" as scientific descriptions.
But it has provided some shelter from the Exporter/Importer choas for the hobbyist.
With DATZ the single photo of a "spectacular" specimens then become a kind of holy grail.
Everyone looking for it but no one can find them for whatever reason/s.
This then presents the Exporters another opportunity to scalp and the cycle continues...
I do feel the ones from Glaser can be classified as Hypancistrus zebra sp. L173.
My comments on a member's pictures ---> here (http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56173)
Oh, and welcome to PCS!! :)
SilverDub
11-06-2009, 04:26 AM
Thanks for your support Celticfish. I agree with your comments on DATZ
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