Breeding of Pseudacanthicus spinosus

[chilicrabz]

After two years of keeping solely spinosus (L160/L96), my spinosus managed to spawn. I would say it was just by chance and it would be a wonderful gift I ever received.

It all happens when I send my fishes to Aquarama for a week, and the cave that was occupied by one of them became vacant. This gave a chance for my Alpha Male to grab his opportunity to trap one of the females inside. The trapping was not consistent as how hypancistrus trap their mate for a few days. At most they were both inside the cave for 1-2 days before the female would escape. This Alpha Male had been sexually active with his ex-girlfriend but no success. Possibly due to the large number of occupants in the same 5ft tank.

The DAD:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/3191.jpg

The Mum: Now
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/317.jpg

The Mum: Before with previous owner
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/FemaleAlpha-before1.jpg

His Ex-girlfriend: so called L375
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00475-1.jpg

Alpha previous adventure with his ex-girlfriend:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00077.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC000780.jpg

To be Continue........

[chilicrabz]

The cave that they managed to spawn: thanks to akoh
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/3041.jpg
* Note that the white stuffs are his sperm, they are not white shit.


31st May 2009:
Today is the day when I brought my 2 fishes back from Aquarama. Once I introduce them back to the tank, they seems so lost and others seems to have forgotten who they are.
The Alpha Dad who is trapping in the cave, came out to welcome them with a fight. They seems to be fighting for their territory again. It’s not just a one on one, but a gang fight of 4 adults males.
Fearing that my Alpha will get hurt and that might affect his trapping activities, I transferred him with his current mate and his ex-girlfriend into a 3ft IOS tank, using back the same cave that he occupies in my 5ft, making it a trio, 1M2F.
As I felt that the temperature is slightly higher in my 3ft tank, I placed a bag of ice cubes inside my tank to bring the temperature down.


1st June 2009:
In the morning, I have no time to check them out before I rushed for work. I assume that they will be fine and continue their daily activities. However at night, I received a call to rush home. I found a huge bunch of eggs in my tank, just right outside the cave.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/2941.jpg

Indeed, they have spawned. But why they are not in the cave??
Questions like:
Why didn’t the DAD take care of the eggs?
Why did the DAD suffered bite marks on its back?
Will the eggs get fertilized since they were not in the cave?
Such questions keep me scratching my head. I immediately transferred them into a floating hatchery, with just an air stone to keep them well-ventilated.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/2961.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/2971.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/2981.jpg

2nd June 2009: Day 01
Some casualties found in the hatchery. Bad ones are turning from clear-transparent to mustard-colour. I had to use a pipette to remove those bad ones.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/302.jpg
*Note that the numbers of the eggs are getting lesser and lesser.

[chilicrabz]

4th June 2009: Day 03
Due to some issues, the air stone fail to provide enough aeration to the hatchery. I estimated that more than half of eggs turn opaque. I decided to salvage the good ones into a small container instead of clearing away those bad ones. Those with their yolk burst, makes the hatchery so disgusting in sight.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/3051.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/3081.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/3111.jpg

This is what is left, after I transferred those possible healthy ones. 34 eggs left. They have had their veins or tails formed inside the egg shells.


5th June 2009: Day 04
More casualties, 28 were left in the morning at 0900hrs. Most of them have hatched from their shells. However, at 2300hrs, 7 left the group. Now, I left with 21 of them. Head and tails are formed.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/312.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/314.jpg

[chilicrabz]

Examples of the fries that turned bad.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/321.jpg
* I had to use a pipette to remove them. This is how it looks like, with the yolk and the spine forming (in red).
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/322.jpg


6th June 2009: Day 05
More casualties again, left with 17 wrigglers now. However, 3 of them are developing slower than the rest. I’m hoping to have a balance of 14 left.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/326.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/328.jpg
* Note that the mouth has formed and they attached themselves against strong current.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/330.jpg

[chilicrabz]

8th June 2009: Day 07
No casualty so far, still remains at 17 wrigglers. Not only their eyes and mouth are developed, I can notice their pectoral, dorsal and ventral fins are forming up.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/337.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/339.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/340.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/341.jpg

Some of their head are turning grayish and they were sticking onto the walls furiously.
Will update accordingly as they grow. To be Continued.....

[chilicrabz]

A special thanks to fellow hobbyists that makes this attempt possible.

Thanks to akoh, gecko, T1000, celticfish and johannes for your fishes, caves and valuable advices. Not forgetting others whom have also contributed their thoughts and theories. Lastly, to the great photographer, SotoNgMan, that went the extra mile to take some nice detailed pictures which will be posted soon.

[SoToNgMaN]

Lastly, to the great photographer, SotoNgMan, that went the extra mile to take some nice detailed pictures which will be posted soon.

Seeing this kind of post ... really stressed me to produce pics within the same nite ...

Pics taken couple of hours ago ..

http://www.watchsg.com/content/aquatic/090609_mingxin/DSC_2376.jpg

http://www.watchsg.com/content/aquatic/090609_mingxin/DSC_2377.jpg

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http://www.watchsg.com/content/aquatic/090609_mingxin/DSC_2382.jpg

[SoToNgMaN]

http://www.watchsg.com/content/aquatic/090609_mingxin/DSC_2386.jpg

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[Mr.XPlecos]

congrats and thanks for sharing bro. may your remaining fries grow up to be stunning like their parents!

[chilicrabz]

Seeing this kind of post ... really stressed me to produce pics within the same nite ...

Oops, i never meant that. I thought it will be up by tomorrow. Now i see a difference between a SLR and a 8mp hp cam.

[SilverDub]

Congratulations Chilliz, fantastic log, fantastic pics throughout especially the makro shots.

What size are the parents and what length/diameter is the spawning cave?

RyanXS and I are in the early stages of planning an with L25s, between us we have 4 specimens from 10-14" I'll start another thread for it.

[T1000]

this 'congrats' machiam like congratulating u for becoming parent:D

well done friend....didn't know both fishes from me are sexually so active:D

hope these wrigglers can grow to be as beautiful as the male

[Edmundo]

COngras, wat a diff a marco lens can do............. *tempted* :(

[chilicrabz]

Congratulations Chilliz, fantastic log, fantastic pics throughout especially the makro shots.

What size are the parents and what length/diameter is the spawning cave?

RyanXS and I are in the early stages of planning an with L25s, between us we have 4 specimens from 10-14" I'll start another thread for it.

The male is at 11inches, while the female is at 8inches. Dimension for the cave is 3.5inch high by 3.5inch width by 10inches long. My guess is for L25, they need a slightly longer and broader cave than this.

[TRIX]

Congratulation to you once again, chilicrabz!!

Now, locally, a few bros here also on the move of trying to spawn diff sps of pseudas, and your documentation here will definitely help them to have a better idea of what to look out for...you are going to be very busy being interviewed:D

Bro Edmundo, when your ah lao L600 and fatty hulk GSHW gonna put us tiny red dot to be bigger on the map too?:p

[barmby]

Hats off to you guys, you know who.. So much effort needed in order to make spawning happen. and this is only the tip of the ice berg. given singapore uber clean water, it is gonna be a mountain to climb when comes to raising the fries. Effort, time and relationships :) straining man.

[johannes]

congrats bro!

when can i scoop one out??:D

[Gecko]

Congrats Bro, your patience, dedication and focus paid off...very nice to see such results after your hard work and sacrifice. Now that you "break the code", looking forward to more spawns in the future

Bro, the fry are super sensitive to the water, be careful.

p.s. please be more specific next time when you call me in the middle of the night and say you are going to become a father

[SoToNgMaN]

Oops, i never meant that. I thought it will be up by tomorrow. Now i see a difference between a SLR and a 8mp hp cam.
Do i foresee another DSLR inline?

its pretty much the same as L25 ... a 3 pointer L25 price will never be the same as sao felix L25 ... quality comes with price .. though I believe someone out there can do better than wat I've done ... after all .. its a 30 min photography session.

COngras, wat a diff a marco lens can do............. *tempted* :(
Macro lens will better assist you to take photos closer to subject ... example u can see spikes of plecos ... normal lenses have a longer working distance and will not present a 1:1 image ratio ...

p.s. please be more specific next time when you call me in the middle of the night and say you are going to become a father
sound like some shotgun thingy ehh?

[chilicrabz]

Some updates without pics.

One of the wrigglers died, left only the body without the yolk when i came home just now.

The other 2 which has a little bloat-like thing in the pic, does not looks good too. I foresee it will survived another 48hrs. So this give me a balance of 13pcs.

The rest have their body turn light grey.

Will post the pics soon.

[celticfish]

All the fry with the "space" above the egg yoke are probably goners!
I've never seen this before in Hypancistrus fry but I say its not normal or good for it to be there...

The two with me are still "status quo" (same).
Since I have two wrigglers I can compare the pattern and it seems to be the same for both.

It starts with a grey patch over the head.
Then the body colours up with two lighter grey shade area.
One from the base of the dorsal spine vertically down the body and the other just before the caudal tail.

[chilicrabz]

All the fry with the "space" above the egg yoke are probably goners!
I've never seen this before in Hypancistrus fry but I say its not normal or good for it to be there...

The two with me are still "status quo" (same).
Since I have two wrigglers I can compare the pattern and it seems to be the same for both.

It starts with a grey patch over the head.
Then the body colours up with two lighter grey shade area.
One from the base of the dorsal spine vertically down the body and the other just before the caudal tail.

Ur description matches those balance ones i have. The fries with the space above the yolk is still surviving, although the development is much slower than the rest.

Do post some pics...You are the 1st Singaporean to own them.:D:D

[chilicrabz]

10th June 2009: Day 09
As expected, one of the deformed wrigglers with a "space" at the yolk,left the group.
In the morning, it was looking as per normal, but when i noticed it in the night, what was left was just the body, the yolk was no where to be found.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00454.jpg
* A morning shot

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00453.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00467.jpg
* This was what it left.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00469.jpg
The remaining two at the back, does not looks good. They are still wriggling and i just can't bear to pipette them out.

[chilicrabz]

11th June 2009: Day 10
This evening, things went bad. 2 of my wrigglers turn bad. When i found it,they were already as white as a silverfish. Did a headcount and i have only left with 14 of them. I think that if it was not my duty, rather than the DAD's, the survival rate will be much higher compare to this balance 14 out of the 200++ eggs in Day 01.

I do hope that i would have at least 10 fries left for me for this spawn.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00479-1.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00477.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00476.jpg
* That's how they look. I feel so sorry for not keeping them alive.

The balance 14 wrigglers left.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00473-1.jpg


Will update soon.....

[SoToNgMaN]

Pics taken together. too active ... much harder to take pics ..

http://www.watchsg.com/content/aquatic/200609_mingxin/DSC_2520.jpg

http://www.watchsg.com/content/aquatic/200609_mingxin/DSC_2527.jpg

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[chilicrabz]

Some behind-the-scene shots on how such nice pictures are taken. Not only we need the right technology and lighting, we need the human touch too.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x208/lishan0613/190620091149-1.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x208/lishan0613/190620091150-1.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x208/lishan0613/190620091151.jpg
tonite's mission was made possible with the help from sotongman(cameraman), sotongman's gf(flash controller), ts70(lighting man) and papa chilicrabz(director)

i thanks all for their contributions as well as Lishan for these wonderful pictures.

[chilicrabz]

Another update on Day 18:

1 wriggler did not make it. He is developing much slower than his siblings. Now, i have left with 9 of them.
They are still not eating pellets. However, i could see some small shit after i added in a small piece of DW inside for them. Could be a possibility that they have start chewing on the DW itself.
Ironically, they did not hid under the DW for shades. They still prefer to squeeze together at a corner.

[chilicrabz]

Some updates again @ Day 45

I still have a balance of 5 babies since the last update. They should have grown slightly bigger than last time. Took them out for a photography session, and well, they are 2cm to be exact.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00539.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00540-1.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00541.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00542.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00543.jpg

I do notice that their tail are not straight. All seems to have a slight bent. Is that normal for babies or they are all deformed??

[chilicrabz]

It seems that they get easily stress, even i transferred them into another container for a photo shoot. Their colour changed from dark grey till yellow, some even shows a pale white colour. Some does not change much, still remains that their original greyish black.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00547.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00548.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00549.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00551.jpg


I am wandering, given that the DAD is of yellow coloration, and the MUM is a blackie. Whats the % of these 5 babies does follows the DAD's genes.
Although it was stated as a spinosus spawn, I'm sure that DAD is not a normal spinosus (L160). The colour is too hard to believe. Neither can it be a L96, where there aren't any orange-traits on the tail. Could it be a L375???

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/Dad1.jpg

I remembered when Ingo Seidel came visiting during the Aquarama, I spoke to him and share with him regarding my views on the spinosus that he wrote on inside his book. When i ask him about the difference between a spinosus and a L375, he mentioned that although they may looks the same, yet the spots markings are different.

Indeed, Spinosus have a regular round spots that covers the whole body, while a L375 have a irregular spottings where it can be round but also in a worm-line wriggly shape. Planetcatfish only have 1 pic of L375 and if i use it as a reference, Dad really don't looks like him either. Neither can it be a spinosus.

So guys, what's your views??
Is Dad a spinosus or is he a L375, although it came in as a L160.

[Edmundo]

Some updates again @ Day 45

I still have a balance of 5 babies since the last update. They should have grown slightly bigger than last time. Took them out for a photography session, and well, they are 2cm to be exact.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00539.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00540-1.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00541.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00542.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00543.jpg

I do notice that their tail are not straight. All seems to have a slight bent. Is that normal for babies or they are all deformed??

Why all their caudal like one side bigger den the other? any updates?

[chilicrabz]

Why all their caudal like one side bigger den the other? any updates?

u mean the tail part??
I dunno....dunno isit deformed or its like that when young.

Next update will be in Aug 1.

[Edmundo]

u mean the tail part??
I dunno....dunno isit deformed or its like that when young.

Next update will be in Aug 1.

Looking forward for your updates. :)

[chilicrabz]

Some Updates @ Day 60:

No casualty so far. 5 still remains.
However, since the last post, their length still remains the same at 2cm. I was hoping for it to reach 2.5cm, 1 inch. Yet, so far not much progress.

On the other hand, the parents seems to have their factory stop working. Although now the mum seems ready with her round tummy, there are no actions from the both of them.

Dad seems to be contents with the environment that he seems can't be bothered caving. He is always spotted at the side of the cave and mum is always at the other side of the cave.
They seems to have "divorce" after their 1st spawn. I was told that an average waiting time for the next spawn, would be a month later. Now, it's already two..something seems not right. Mum seems reluctant to get close to the Dad and she seems avoiding him, from his line of sight.

Is she not ready or the problem lies with the Dad?

Last week, i introduce his ex-girlfriend into their life. Dad is very interested, so do the Mum. She kept picking on her and they have a serious catfight. She might be telling her that: Hey, get out of our life."
Dad seems too actively trying to trap her, but with his wife around, she does not seems interested to take any chance.

My intention was to trigger the Mum to be active again, after all they were there on the 1st night before the mum spawn. But it seems that, this don't work at all. Seeing the ex-girlfriend suffering from quite a fair bit of torns and scratch, I decided to move her out.

So now is the question: How can i get them sexually active again??

Should i put another smaller male inside to trigger Dad to cave or "another pair" to trigger the both of them??

[chilicrabz]

Updates @ Day 75

Exactly a month ago, at Day 45, all were at 2cm TL when i took them for a photography session. Today, 3 of them reach 2.5cm TL (1inch) since birth. However, the remaining 2 seems to be stuck at 2 cm or 2.25cm. These growth rate are extremely slower than the trio.

Furthermore, at close range, i will noticed that their body markings have somehow developed and they are irregular with one another. None of the 5 pieces looks the same to one another.
Strange....

I'm hoping they remains different with one another as days comes. In the meanwhile,the parents does not have any action going on. The female has her stomach round again, however, the male does not seems ready to cave. He is always at the other side of the cave. Sometimes, it does occupy the cave for a few moments, but most of the time, he will be spotted apart from the female

Here are some pics of the 5 siblings, notice their different markings:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00597.jpghttp://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00599.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00600.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00601.jpg


Continued.............

[chilicrabz]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00602.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00603.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00604.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00605.jpg


Continue.......

[chilicrabz]

Last fries:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00606.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00607.jpg

And lastly, some tank shots:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00609.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00610.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00612.jpg


Will update again on 010909....

[chilicrabz]

Anyone who have their fishes spawned before, have any experience in the different sizing within the same brood???
Since they eat the same food and stay in the same water parameter.

[Edmundo]

Anyone who have their fishes spawned before, have any experience in the different sizing within the same brood???
Since they eat the same food and stay in the same water parameter.

Different sizing is pretty common, not to say fishes, other animal and human too. Commonly, fishes they grow faster and bigger, are term "fish head" and more sought after, since they can grow out faster.

[barmby]

chilicrabz, disturb the confirmed pair less. they will do it again. 5-8weeks window period. keep on changing water :)

[chilicrabz]

Updates @ Day 90

These fries have shown up some colour. Tails started to have a pale orange tint. From the start, i have always thinks that this batch should be from a L160 parents. In fact, these must be a L96 offspring.

Here are some pics on them:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00642.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00645.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00649.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00652.jpg

Group photos:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00653.jpg


Enjoy.

[Gecko]

Some Updates @ Day 60:

No casualty so far. 5 still remains.
However, since the last post, their length still remains the same at 2cm. I was hoping for it to reach 2.5cm, 1 inch. Yet, so far not much progress.

On the other hand, the parents seems to have their factory stop working. Although now the mum seems ready with her round tummy, there are no actions from the both of them.

Dad seems to be contents with the environment that he seems can't be bothered caving. He is always spotted at the side of the cave and mum is always at the other side of the cave.
They seems to have "divorce" after their 1st spawn. I was told that an average waiting time for the next spawn, would be a month later. Now, it's already two..something seems not right. Mum seems reluctant to get close to the Dad and she seems avoiding him, from his line of sight.

Is she not ready or the problem lies with the Dad?

Last week, i introduce his ex-girlfriend into their life. Dad is very interested, so do the Mum. She kept picking on her and they have a serious catfight. She might be telling her that: Hey, get out of our life."
Dad seems too actively trying to trap her, but with his wife around, she does not seems interested to take any chance.

My intention was to trigger the Mum to be active again, after all they were there on the 1st night before the mum spawn. But it seems that, this don't work at all. Seeing the ex-girlfriend suffering from quite a fair bit of torns and scratch, I decided to move her out.

So now is the question: How can i get them sexually active again??

Should i put another smaller male inside to trigger Dad to cave or "another pair" to trigger the both of them??

bro

If you read the L25 breeding article in Shane's world PLC, seems like another male became alpha. Take a look and see if helpful.

[chilicrabz]

Updates @ Day 141

It have been a while since i last update.
I have transferred the "famous 5" into a much bigger tank. They have grow noticeably and the colour have no doubt shows up much brighter.

My batch 2 came three months later after them from the same parents and they are all doing well together inside. There are some irregularities in the sizing for this batch, however, from the previous batch, they will catch up on the size differences.

No wander others will say that 96 have a wide variation and they are always associate with L160, in terms of coloration and markings...

Famous 5 with batch two.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00694.jpg

A close up pic
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00695.jpg

A future full-orange tail??
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00693.jpg

[chilicrabz]

Some of the batch two:

Snow white
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00692.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00683.jpg

Rest of the fries:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00696.jpg

[ryannxs]

wow! i had no idea they bred again! well done! how many? still no luck with mine:(

[chilicrabz]

wow! i had no idea they bred again! well done! how many? still no luck with mine:(

they are in the 70+ as of last week.

Dun worry, it will be soon. In fact, they are a proud parent of 3 batches. This time round, im leaving the Dad to take care of the fries..

Here are some of the escapees:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00690.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee138/hotchiliz/SNC00689.jpg

[ryannxs]

wow! i got so fed up that i as thinking about selling mine but now youve inspired me to try again! i'll try to send those pics you asked for

[XIAOHEE]

Impressive thread . Very enriching for newbies like myself .
Thanks to TS for his kindness in sharing the wonderful spawning process .