Zebras

[Gecko]

Looking at the prices of zebras in Europe and US (forget Australia), the prices are really escalating :eek: I am not sure if the Brazil export ban is really due to the fact that zebras are threatened in the wild, or for whatever reason, it is really a pity not more people can enjoy this beautiful fish.

I remember when Ben just started his hole in the wall at TB market, I saw the first zebra at about $50. It was so beautiful that the impression it left on me lasted for years. Of course I couldn't bring myself to pay so much for a ****er:o Years later, I tried my first piece at $120 (I think) and of course before the internet days, it died. And the next one died too.

Finally,...(to be continued).

[Gecko]

Finally, with some help from akoh, I set up a rather successful breeding colony. I am looking forward to akoh's article on zebra breeding.

This plec is really ideal for our urban lifestyle: low bioload, small sized, lots of character and fun, so cute that even my wife likes them and help to feed when I am away. They are known to even breed in a 2 footer!

Although gone are the days when in season, zebras are easily available, at least they are not extinct and we can enjoy the wonder of breeding this creature. I can still remember the first time when I found tiny little babies, replicas of their parents in the tank, we were so happy, my wife and I were hoping around like kids :D

I hope more bros/sis would consider zebras, as long as they know the basics of plecoing (good filteration, aeration, regular WC), zebras are actually very hardy when keeping a comm tank of zebras only. A pair of zebras is much cheaper in the long term then collecting different and many L numbers and then ibs sell off again. If you take care of them, over time even within a year, the "capital" of the pair could be earned back many times over.

I am still enjoying my zebra comm tremendously and I hope more bros will be attracted by the prettiest L number in Singapore and some say, the world.

[SoToNgMaN]

Finally, with some help from akoh, I set up a rather successful breeding colony. I am looking forward to akoh's article on zebra breeding.

Signal very bright ... high beam some more ... :(:(

[barmby]

Zebra stripe make this fish one of the most unique of its kind. Furthermore, it is not very big fish unlike rays with poka dots. come to think about it snow ball is also nice. esp the one at nks display length. the thing was like 9", truly a beauty.. ok, now lets stick with zebura and wait for the expert views on breeding

[akoh]

I also waiting for my own article leh ! :rolleyes: :D

[Edmundo]

Signal very bright ... high beam some more ... :(:(

I also waiting for my own article leh ! :rolleyes: :D

see... kena chase liao... bo chor kang......

[Edmundo]

Zebra stripe make this fish one of the most unique of its kind. Furthermore, it is not very big fish unlike rays with poka dots. come to think about it snow ball is also nice. esp the one at nks display length. the thing was like 9", truly a beauty.. ok, now lets stick with zebura and wait for the expert views on breeding

L134 man... when wana be L46 man?..... show you L134s colony leh....

[Gecko]

Signal very bright ... high beam some more ... :(:(

Friend, there is no between the lines lah, just didn't want to steal the thunder from akoh's article :cool:

[SoToNgMaN]

Friend, there is no between the lines lah, just didn't want to steal the thunder from akoh's article :cool:
no punes intended .. hehe .. :D

see... kena chase liao... bo chor kang......
Yandao... most of the things in minutes I deliver liao loh ..

only article of Moustache man I havent got time to do and vbulletin version upgrade loh ..

I more hardworking than L001 pleco leh ...

[akoh]

Wait till you guys see those pics ah tong took ! champion ! :D

[Edmundo]

Finally, with some help from akoh, I set up a rather successful breeding colony. I am looking forward to akoh's article on zebra breeding.

This plec is really ideal for our urban lifestyle: low bioload, small sized, lots of character and fun, so cute that even my wife likes them and help to feed when I am away. They are known to even breed in a 2 footer!

Although gone are the days when in season, zebras are easily available, at least they are not extinct and we can enjoy the wonder of breeding this creature. I can still remember the first time when I found tiny little babies, replicas of their parents in the tank, we were so happy, my wife and I were hoping around like kids :D

I hope more bros/sis would consider zebras, as long as they know the basics of plecoing (good filteration, aeration, regular WC), zebras are actually very hardy when keeping a comm tank of zebras only. A pair of zebras is much cheaper in the long term then collecting different and many L numbers and then ibs sell off again. If you take care of them, over time even within a year, the "capital" of the pair could be earned back many times over.

I am still enjoying my zebra comm tremendously and I hope more bros will be attracted by the prettiest L number in Singapore and some say, the world.


One of the main reason why til today we are still getting to enjoy zebras is because of people you like who breeds them and distributes them to all over the world. Otherwise, we will only see pics instead....

so when you starts to draw $$$ from your ATM? :D

cheers

[Gecko]

I was planning to split my colony into 2 but now decided not to as I found 2babies today! I moved them into their new home 3 months ago and now the breeding has started again! Happy like fish:D

[Edmundo]

I was planning to split my colony into 2 but now decided not to as I found 2babies today! I moved them into their new home 3 months ago and now the breeding has started again! Happy like fish:D

wow....... atm in working function agn...... gosh outstanding ! :D

[Gecko]

Yesterday ibs, took out a rock and replaced with a DW. When done was going down from the stool, almost fell over... there lying on the floor was a 0.5" baby. Must have **** on the rock and did not let go until too late.

Put it back and it did not swim right....hiaz...hope it will recover. Luckily did not step on it:eek:

[Edmundo]

Yesterday ibs, took out a rock and replaced with a DW. When done was going down from the stool, almost fell over... there lying on the floor was a 0.5" baby. Must have **** on the rock and did not let go until too late.

Put it back and it did not swim right....hiaz...hope it will recover. Luckily did not step on it:eek:

oh gosh...... all the best dude! :)

[SoToNgMaN]

zebra breeding article from akoh available in *Restricted > Exclusive section ...

do check it out ..

[Titus]

zebra breeding article from akoh available in *Restricted > Exclusive section ...

do check it out ..

errr... exclusive section where are... cannot find le :confused:

[SoToNgMaN]

errr... exclusive section where are... cannot find le :confused:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2300/restvm3.png

Only users with "PCS Member" status aka Official Pleco Club Members will be able to access above article ... so normal registered forum users cannot enter or view it .. :D

[Titus]

Only users with "PCS Member" status aka Official Pleco Club Members will be able to access above article ... so normal registered forum users cannot enter or view it .. :D

Thanks dude!!!

Aiyoh... I got stick the L046 sticky on my car window le... can consider member bo.. hahaha

[SoToNgMaN]

Thanks dude!!!

Aiyoh... I got stick the L046 sticky on my car window le... can consider member bo.. hahaha
official procedure to become Official Pleco Club Members is to go to:
http://www.plecoclub.org/signup.html

print application form and attach cheque leh ...

currently we also dun have trial membership one leh ... so prior is the only solution ... hehe :D

[akoh]

Membership has it's privileges ! :D

Beside the article on breeding L046, there are plans for more ! so sign up now ! :D

[benny]

I'm also doing a short write up on sexing L046 too!!

Cheers,

[Mudskippy]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2300/restvm3.png

Only users with "PCS Member" status aka Official Pleco Club Members will be able to access above article ... so normal registered forum users cannot enter or view it .. :D

How come like that, discrimination lei...:o I'm also want to see the zebra breeding project, thinking of having a zebra breeding group some day when i get the plecos poison more seriously...:D

[Edmundo]

How come like that, discrimination lei...:o I'm also want to see the zebra breeding project, thinking of having a zebra breeding group some day when i get the plecos poison more seriously...:D

We never discrriminate. We are more to be happy to share pleco info tat what we are up for..... :)

However, hope you can undersand on the restrictions. No visitors can go to a country club to ask for privilleges of that enjoyed by any other members and claim there is a discrimination, right?

i know you dun mean bad, i just aso wish to take this opportunity to explain such possible situation.

Thanks for highlighting this. :)

[Edmundo]

I'm also doing a short write up on sexing L046 too!!

Cheers,

If you dun mind, we will be looking forward on this (read deeper into this statement :p) ..... :D

[Mudskippy]

We never discrriminate. We are more to be happy to share pleco info tat what we are up for..... :)

However, hope you can undersand on the restrictions. No visitors can go to a country club to ask for privilleges of that enjoyed by any other members and claim there is a discrimination, right?

i know you dun mean bad, i just aso wish to take this opportunity to explain such possible situation.

Thanks for highlighting this. :)

I didnt mean that serious, just kp kp...:p Might join the member some day if i had the chance...:)

[benny]

If you dun mind, we will be looking forward on this (read deeper into this statement :p) ..... :D

Huh? Don't test my intelligence leh! I'm clueless most of the time..

Here's is the first draft of the article, there will other inclusions such as venting and some other background information. I'll finish it when I have the time.

http://aquaticquotient.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33363

Cheers,

[Edmundo]

I didnt mean that serious, just kp kp...:p Might join the member some day if i had the chance...:)

welcome you always, but the way, do stay tune, the article will be release to the public in time to come...... cheers :)

[Edmundo]

Huh? Don't test my intelligence leh! I'm clueless most of the time..

Here's is the first draft of the article, there will other inclusions such as venting and some other background information. I'll finish it when I have the time.

http://aquaticquotient.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33363

Cheers,

outstanding............ photo needless for me to praise liao think u hear until sianz aso...... keke....

reference back to you "bunch" of lovely zebras...... female, male, male, female, male..... i think from the pic, the first is a male instd (from top view)..... what sign do u see that's a female?

[SoToNgMaN]

Huh? Don't test my intelligence leh! I'm clueless most of the time..

Here's is the first draft of the article, there will other inclusions such as venting and some other background information. I'll finish it when I have the time.

http://aquaticquotient.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33363

Cheers,
mind giving Pleco Club an exclusive to the article?

u provide article and photos ... I provide technical expertise to webalize it .. :D

[Titus]

official procedure to become Official Pleco Club Members is to go to:
http://www.plecoclub.org/signup.html

print application form and attach cheque leh ...

currently we also dun have trial membership one leh ... so prior is the only solution ... hehe :D

Okie, when posion start flowing again... I will lai lai.. :D

[Gecko]

Okie, when posion start flowing again... I will lai lai.. :D

Welcome bro, lai lah...was worried we lost you to GF world for good.:p

[Titus]

Welcome bro, lai lah...was worried we lost you to GF world for good.:p

hehe.... So many temptations.. so little $$$ and tank space.

Would lov to doodle with zebras but really pricy le. To setup a potential breeding tank would be a bomb man. Saw ARK's recent buy/sell.. Jaw drop. Tot got breeders now price drop... on contrary..

Maybe play with other Hypans and see can breed bo.. hehe...

[Gecko]

Bro

Just like PDR, last time $750 for adult, at Gan's, gave it a miss, now, F1 homebred pup cost $4,000.:eek:

zebras are small, low bioload (I think an adult zebra poo is less than one tetra's!) and so beautiful and "iconic" - every magazine/book on plecos almost always have a zebra on the cover:rolleyes:

Bro rather than try this try that, keep all that money and get a pair or maybe 2 males and 1 female, get them at about 3", you have a colony ready to go. Imagine at about 1k, you get 1 xb or 3 showpiece small to mid sized GF? So relative lah, whether expensive or not....

The price is not coming down any time soon...

[Mudskippy]

Well said, but current I am more into my rays breeding project. Once I done with this, next project will be L046 breeding project...:D Bro, must give me a big hand that time hoh...:p

[Titus]

Bro

Just like PDR, last time $750 for adult, at Gan's, gave it a miss, now, F1 homebred pup cost $4,000.:eek:

zebras are small, low bioload (I think an adult zebra poo is less than one tetra's!) and so beautiful and "iconic" - every magazine/book on plecos almost always have a zebra on the cover:rolleyes:

Bro rather than try this try that, keep all that money and get a pair or maybe 2 males and 1 female, get them at about 3", you have a colony ready to go. Imagine at about 1k, you get 1 xb or 3 showpiece small to mid sized GF? So relative lah, whether expensive or not....

The price is not coming down any time soon...

Well said bro... really got me thinking... be my advisor when setting up k :)

Btw, any good source for 3" size.. (best if got love potion brewing liao).. keke

[SoToNgMaN]

Well said bro... really got me thinking... be my advisor when setting up k :)

Btw, any good source for 3" size.. (best if got love potion brewing liao).. keke
so can consider that u r back into pleco-ing liao ... wahahha

[Titus]

so can consider that u r back into pleco-ing liao ... wahahha

Hmmm.. mentally count? kekeke

[SoToNgMaN]

Hmmm.. mentally count? kekeke
Anything counts .. :D

got heart can liao .. :D

[Gecko]

Bro Titus and Mudskippy

When the time come, feel free to let me know....more than 1 year back akoh helped me with my setup so he is the real guru. I am always very happy to help. Maybe I post some learnings here so that you will know right away that it is actually quite a "no-brainer" especially you guys are old birds in fish keeping in even more challenging breeds.

1. Suggest a at least 3 or 4 footer tank. 2 ft has been done but daily WC will sap your energy.

2. 2 x Eheim Pro 2 to filter tank. One outlet use venturi to increase dissolved oxygen. Also recommended one AC/DC air pump in case of power failure. (akoh and I have standby battery operated ones, which I use for fishing to keep baits alive, at home for same purpose).

3. Bare bottom tank also can, but recommend a thin layer of rounded sand, lapis ok. The male will feel some sense of accomplishment when he tidies up during area cleaning to prepare for his romp.

4. Most important - at least one male and one female of 3" sexually matured and horny. More males better to have competition if possible.

5. Love nests- caves - slates, pvc or ceramic must be provided.

The rest once you join up as members can read akoh's article. So as you can see, the requirements is actually quite basic. In fact after I switched from royals and pseudas to zebras, I feel more relaxed and can enjoy my plecoing hobby more since I travel heavily, and need low bioload and low maintenance plecs. The babies I got is really a great bonus and of course the most important of all - my CO at home loves them and actually encourages and joins me in my hobby.

[akoh]

Bro Titus and Mudskippy

When the time come, feel free to let me know....more than 1 year back akoh helped me with my setup so he is the real guru. I am always very happy to help. Maybe I post some learnings here so that you will know right away that it is actually quite a "no-brainer" especially you guys are old birds in fish keeping in even more challenging breeds.

1. Suggest a at least 3 or 4 footer tank. 2 ft has been done but daily WC will sap your energy.

2. 2 x Eheim Pro 2 to filter tank. One outlet use venturi to increase dissolved oxygen. Also recommended one AC/DC air pump in case of power failure. (akoh and I have standby battery operated ones, which I use for fishing to keep baits alive, at home for same purpose).

3. Bare bottom tank also can, but recommend a thin layer of rounded sand, lapis ok. The male will feel some sense of accomplishment when he tidies up during area cleaning to prepare for his romp.

4. Most important - at least one male and one female of 3" sexually matured and horny. More males better to have competition if possible.

5. Love nests- caves - slates, pvc or ceramic must be provided.

The rest once you join up as members can read akoh's article. So as you can see, the requirements is actually quite basic. In fact after I switched from royals and pseudas to zebras, I feel more relaxed and can enjoy my plecoing hobby more since I travel heavily, and need low bioload and low maintenance plecs. The babies I got is really a great bonus and of course the most important of all - my CO at home loves them and actually encourages and joins me in my hobby.

Bro ! you champion ! all you need is just 5 pointers ! I took 7 pages ! :D :D

[SoToNgMaN]

Bro ! you champion ! all you need is just 5 pointers ! I took 7 pages ! :D :D
so next time I'll request article writeup from lawrence instead ...

moustache man too long winded liao ...

[akoh]

After many many moons of sleepless nites you come and tell me this ! :mad:
Will sabotage your water bag during HSBC Tree Top walk ! :D

[SoToNgMaN]

After many many moons of sleepless nites you come and tell me this ! :mad:
Will sabotage your water bag during HSBC Tree Top walk ! :D
lucky haven learn diving from u ... else air hose kena cut by u ... :(

nvm .. I share rebina water with alex .. dun wan to share with u .. :p

[Gecko]

Bro ! you champion ! all you need is just 5 pointers ! I took 7 pages ! :D :D

Bro, mine is basics, of course there are advance, higher level:D

[Titus]

When the time come, feel free to let me know....more than 1 year back akoh helped me with my setup so he is the real guru. I am always very happy to help. Maybe I post some learnings here so that you will know right away that it is actually quite a "no-brainer" especially you guys are old birds in fish keeping in even more challenging breeds.

Thanks for the insight dude!!! Slowly adding poison to my bloodstream...

Not old hand la.... still learning. U keep fish time i guess I still play marble man.. kekeke


The rest once you join up as members can read akoh's article. So as you can see, the requirements is actually quite basic. In fact after I switched from royals and pseudas to zebras, I feel more relaxed and can enjoy my plecoing hobby more since I travel heavily, and need low bioload and low maintenance plecs. The babies I got is really a great bonus and of course the most important of all - my CO at home loves them and actually encourages and joins me in my hobby.

Hmmm another to join member... :D

I like the CO at home part. Nothing beats having your love ones enjoy your hobby.

[Titus]

Anything counts .. :D

got heart can liao .. :D

Heheh.. my heart very big for many things... hahaha

[Mudskippy]

Bro Titus and Mudskippy

When the time come, feel free to let me know....more than 1 year back akoh helped me with my setup so he is the real guru. I am always very happy to help. Maybe I post some learnings here so that you will know right away that it is actually quite a "no-brainer" especially you guys are old birds in fish keeping in even more challenging breeds.



Thx for the brief info. By the time I plan to start a zebra breeding project, sure will ask more info from u experts...:)

[Edmundo]

mind giving Pleco Club an exclusive to the article?

u provide article and photos ... I provide technical expertise to webalize it .. :D

how long u need this time round? 3months? :rolleyes::D

so nice to read the passion fire is re-burning in Titus's heart.... Allen and Lawrence post more drooling pics of ur collection and posion him.....:D

[SoToNgMaN]

how long u need this time round? 3months? :rolleyes::D

bueh steady like that say me ...

*FLIP TABLE LIAO LAH*:mad::mad::p

[akoh]

Poison pic ? sure ! here goes :

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/7471e8a352ecf5.jpg

[akoh]

and this :

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/7471e8a361ae7b.jpg

[Edmundo]

Lawrence and celticfish... where urs?

come come inject more..... :D

[Mudskippy]

Very cute zerbra babies, also seeing lot of money there...:p

[Titus]

:eek::eek: NICEEEE

Drool.....

[akoh]

to add more........! :D

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/746d614f5755a5.jpg

[benny]

outstanding............ photo needless for me to praise liao think u hear until sianz aso...... keke....

reference back to you "bunch" of lovely zebras...... female, male, male, female, male..... i think from the pic, the first is a male instd (from top view)..... what sign do u see that's a female?

No leh... keep the compliments comming!:D Thick skin hor...

The first piece is female because the chew chew on the pectoral fins is not pronounced, the head shape is not quite as broad. But I cannot verify it anymore because the fish died when I was on one of my trips. Sayang....

Cheers,

[benny]

mind giving Pleco Club an exclusive to the article?

u provide article and photos ... I provide technical expertise to webalize it .. :D

How to give exclusive? It's already posted up.

Anyway, I believe to get more hobbyists into the pleco community, there should be as much free information as possible to disspell all kind of misconception and misunderstanding about these fishes. I still have friends who don't understand why we keep 'Jia Sai He'. And they always have the impression that these fishes cost no more than S$10 each. :(

And... what is webalize?

Cheers,

[SoToNgMaN]

How to give exclusive? It's already posted up.

Anyway, I believe to get more hobbyists into the pleco community, there should be as much free information as possible to disspell all kind of misconception and misunderstanding about these fishes. I still have friends who don't understand why we keep 'Jia Sai He'. And they always have the impression that these fishes cost no more than S$10 each. :(

And... what is webalize?

Cheers,
webalize == turning word documents into web browser friendly documents

will tell u more on "information sharing" on our next meetup .. :D

[Edmundo]

No leh... keep the compliments comming!:D Thick skin hor...

The first piece is female because the chew chew on the pectoral fins is not pronounced, the head shape is not quite as broad. But I cannot verify it anymore because the fish died when I was on one of my trips. Sayang....

Cheers,

heart pain...... hope one day urs will breed soon...... too..... :)

[Edmundo]

webalize == turning word documents into web browser friendly documents

will tell u more on "information sharing" on our next meetup .. :D

Am i invited? :D or ur AF mo-the-red-ter meet up? :D Operation Taiwan discussion? :D

[benny]

heart pain...... hope one day urs will breed soon...... too..... :)

I gave up that idea long ago. Now just keeping the 4 piece (out of 30) that I'm left with alive I very happy liao. :(

Cheers,

[benny]

Am i invited? :D or ur AF mo-the-red-ter meet up? :D Operation Taiwan discussion? :D

Yes. You can be invited if you like. It's the plecoclub TCSS meetup. :p

Cheers,

p.s. I go taiwan again this week. More fishes I hope.

[Edmundo]

Yes. You can be invited if you like. It's the plecoclub TCSS meetup. :p

Cheers,

p.s. I go taiwan again this week. More fishes I hope.

simi lai? :confused: Taiwan.... slurp...... reach ther up date here if possible..... keke :D

[benny]

er... we all like very off topic hor. Sorry!

Cheers,

[akoh]

p.s. I go taiwan again this week. More fishes I hope.

Heard you're on a mission plecossible ! :rolleyes: :D

[SoToNgMaN]

er... we all like very off topic hor. Sorry!

Cheers,
dun worry off topic lah ... cos I always off topic also .. wahahah

PCS turnover capacity low ... so we can always do trimming of threads after some time .. rofl

[akoh]

Heard you're on a mission plecossible ! :rolleyes: :D

Should be Mission Zebrassible ! :D :D

[celticfish]

Lawrence and celticfish... where urs?



as requested...
inside cave of first brood just after hatching.
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194726b0b935f69.jpg


2' fiveplan tank setup when third brood came.
notice the two hanging fry traps on left.
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194726b0b972820.jpg


escapee on top of cave with mum.
dad and the rest of the brood in cave.
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194726b0b9a362a.jpg


top view of fry trap of second brood.
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194726b0fa9242a.jpg


here is something interesting of a fry from the first brood.
notice his stomach is growing lop-sided (23 days old).
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194726b38c551d3.jpg


i think enough poison for now... :D

[Edmundo]

The first pic is amazing........... :eek: u guys make the "job" looks easy.....

Gecko, come show urs...... :) :D

[barmby]

I can never do it. It takes alot of attention, care and patience. Thumbs up to celticfish

[redsox]

as requested...

2' fiveplan tank setup when third brood came.
notice the two hanging fry traps on left.
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/1194726b0b972820.jpg

i think enough poison for now... :D

where can i buy those caves?

[SoToNgMaN]

where can i buy those caves?
saw some of these equiv or similar ones in taiwan ... :D

[redsox]

saw some of these equiv or similar ones in taiwan ... :D

wasted, should have got a few of them when I was there. any bros have 1 or 2 to let go here?

[SoToNgMaN]

wasted, should have got a few of them when I was there. any bros have 1 or 2 to let go here?
more specifically ... there's a store along the stretch with water world of Boss Chui ... that resembles C328 aunty in singapore ...

packed and display stuff like C328 aunty also .. operates by aunty @ counter also .. rofl ... but counter has lotsa co-photographs of her and taiwanese local celebrities ..

[redsox]

more specifically ... there's a store along the stretch with water world of Boss Chui ... that resembles C328 aunty in singapore ...

packed and display stuff like C328 aunty also .. operates by aunty @ counter also .. rofl ... but counter has lotsa co-photographs of her and taiwanese local celebrities ..

i know which shop u referring to; it's one of the recommended shops in Taiwan websites. I'v been there, think my eyes never open big enough. :p Nevermind, still got chance to visit Taipei again.

[celticfish]

i mail ordered the caves from the USA in aquabid.com, go check it out.
these are made from regular tile slates.
the dimensions have been mentioned ealier in this thread.
but if you need the dimensions let me know.
i can take them out for some measurements.
its bound with black silicon but clear silicon does the job just as good.
if you have the equipment or someone to cut it for you, better.
let me know too as i have some ideas on an "improved" version.
as least that's what i'd like to think! hahaha

[Gecko]

Today, tear down the second tank to catch the clown loach out, this is the second time I had to do it. The first time after removing all wood and caves, could not find in wood or caves or tank. I thought it died and left no bones, reassembled evrything only to see that CL come out from dont know where:mad: Heard that CL can hide in the sand, this time round found it and took it out.

Also took the opportunity to sex the zebras again. Confirmed 2 big males and 1 female, the rest too juvie to sex with confidence. Caught one big fat female from my existing colony and introduced her into the second tank. Now I hope should have some action in a few months time...2 big males and 2 big females....the big alpha already claimed his cave, with a bit of injury to the side of the body, not too serious.

First tank found 5 juvies hiding under a piece of wood. Fingers and toes crossed to have 2 breeding colonies going....:p

[peckio]

Today, tear down the second tank to catch the clown loach out, this is the second time I had to do it. The first time after removing all wood and caves, could not find in wood or caves or tank. I thought it died and left no bones, reassembled evrything only to see that CL come out from dont know where:mad: Heard that CL can hide in the sand, this time round found it and took it out.

Also took the opportunity to sex the zebras again. Confirmed 2 big males and 1 female, the rest too juvie to sex with confidence. Caught one big fat female from my existing colony and introduced her into the second tank. Now I hope should have some action in a few months time...2 big males and 2 big females....the big alpha already claimed his cave, with a bit of injury to the side of the body, not too serious.

First tank found 5 juvies hiding under a piece of wood. Fingers and toes crossed to have 2 breeding colonies going....:p

Good luck in your zebras' sexy time :p
At the same time, really envy sia :mad: :D

[redsox]

i mail ordered the caves from the USA in aquabid.com, go check it out.
these are made from regular tile slates.
the dimensions have been mentioned ealier in this thread.
but if you need the dimensions let me know.
i can take them out for some measurements.
its bound with black silicon but clear silicon does the job just as good.
if you have the equipment or someone to cut it for you, better.
let me know too as i have some ideas on an "improved" version.
as least that's what i'd like to think! hahaha

It will be great if you can provide me with the details of your "improved" version. I know a contractor uncle who can help me cut the tiles, thanks!

[akoh]

Today, tear down the second tank to catch the clown loach out, this is the second time I had to do it. The first time after removing all wood and caves, could not find in wood or caves or tank. I thought it died and left no bones, reassembled evrything only to see that CL come out from dont know where:mad: Heard that CL can hide in the sand, this time round found it and took it out.

Also took the opportunity to sex the zebras again. Confirmed 2 big males and 1 female, the rest too juvie to sex with confidence. Caught one big fat female from my existing colony and introduced her into the second tank. Now I hope should have some action in a few months time...2 big males and 2 big females....the big alpha already claimed his cave, with a bit of injury to the side of the body, not too serious.

First tank found 5 juvies hiding under a piece of wood. Fingers and toes crossed to have 2 breeding colonies going....:p

Another ATM coming up ! :D :D

[Edmundo]

Today, tear down the second tank to catch the clown loach out, this is the second time I had to do it. The first time after removing all wood and caves, could not find in wood or caves or tank. I thought it died and left no bones, reassembled evrything only to see that CL come out from dont know where:mad: Heard that CL can hide in the sand, this time round found it and took it out.

Also took the opportunity to sex the zebras again. Confirmed 2 big males and 1 female, the rest too juvie to sex with confidence. Caught one big fat female from my existing colony and introduced her into the second tank. Now I hope should have some action in a few months time...2 big males and 2 big females....the big alpha already claimed his cave, with a bit of injury to the side of the body, not too serious.

First tank found 5 juvies hiding under a piece of wood. Fingers and toes crossed to have 2 breeding colonies going....:p

Wow..... ever thot of opening a zebra farm? :D

[Gecko]

Another ATM coming up ! :D :D
Wow..... ever thot of opening a zebra farm? :D

Being able to recoup some expenses back is great...but I dont think I can enjoy it as much as I do now if there were financial pressures.:D

Trust me bro (Ed), being able to see zebra babies in your tank is priceless;)

[akoh]

Trust me bro (Ed), being able to see zebra babies in your tank is priceless;)

Bro !, like we alway said ! : better than sex ! Chumpion ! :D

[ciliaris]

how much is a zebra selling normally. i saw at least 300 plus

[akoh]

The recent record is S$1000+ for a pair of adult ! :)

[ciliaris]

thanks for replying. are babies cheaper... anyone selling. interested. thinking of getting 2 in january....do let me know mark. at 98283538

[ciliaris]

another question, is how to signup as a member in the pleco club. the link to the application form is not there. do let me know or could you direct me to the link...

[akoh]

another question, is how to signup as a member in the pleco club. the link to the application form is not there. do let me know or could you direct me to the link...

Paging for SoToNgMaN ! :D :D

[SoToNgMaN]

another question, is how to signup as a member in the pleco club. the link to the application form is not there. do let me know or could you direct me to the link...
we r currently undergoing some minor amendments with our application form ...

will inform via announcements on its availability by due end of next week

we thank you for your interest in the club ... :D

Cheers

[akoh]

If this is L046 :

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/74761d3bee5387.jpg

[akoh]

what do you call this ! L046 ? L098 ? L173 ? :D

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/74761d3be0f6b8.jpg

This fella, the dorsal fin lines are almost vertical ( when extended ) whereas the regular L046 has horizontal lines

[celticfish]

holy cow! :eek: (no offense to our hindu friends)
what a teaser akoh!
thanks for the christmas prezzie... :D
those two picture suggest much!!
looks like you have many many "interesting" specimens in your tanks.
can go take a look and maybe some pictures too? :rolleyes:

[akoh]

Can ! just pay admission fee lor ! BUT for PCS member ! FOC lah ! :D.

I do have some surprises in the zebra tank ! particularly an Ultraman ( Japanese zebra hobbists came up with this name )Junior fella ! this fella doesn't have a snout or the head portion is flat ! been trying to take a picture of this fella ! unfortunately alway in hiding !. Edmund and Sotong saw this fella during their visit to PlecoHut ! :D

[SoToNgMaN]

Can ! just pay admission fee lor ! BUT for PCS member ! FOC lah ! :D.

I do have some surprises in the zebra tank ! particularly an Ultraman ( Japanese zebra hobbists came up with this name )Junior fella ! this fella doesn't have a snout or the head portion is flat ! been trying to take a picture of this fella ! unfortunately alway in hiding !. Edmund and Sotong saw this fella during their visit to PlecoHut ! :D
Zebra article got pic of ultraman leh ..

ehh .. forget where I put liao ... wait I find .. :D

[celticfish]

dont have access to the VIP lounge yet... :D

[SoToNgMaN]

ok ok .. found images liao .. :D

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/147621e2940ada.jpg

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/147621e3cb50c8.jpg

[akoh]

Bro ! sorry ! :o we are still doing the necessary logistic work ! give us sometime ! thanks for your patience and understanding ! :D

[akoh]

Tong ! you champion ! :D :D

[SoToNgMaN]

Bro ! sorry ! :o we are still doing the necessary logistic work ! give us sometime ! thanks for your patience and understanding ! :D
no worries lah .. when PlecoPedia is up ...

zebra article will be open for public .. :D

[celticfish]

do you often get snub noses in your broods?
i just hope someone doesnt think they are "nice" looking and breed for them! :eek:

[akoh]

do you often get snub noses in your broods?
i just hope someone doesnt think they are "nice" looking and breed for them! :eek:

So far ! I only saw one ! there maybe more ! hopefully ! :D

Understand, the Japs are paying premium for " this fella " ! well ! as you know - when there is a demand and no supply ! the price will goes up ! :D

[celticfish]

.... so you are hoping for more premium unltramans now? :eek:

i wonder will they (the japs) be fascinated enough to fly down and buy from you?
somehow i think they will! *ka-ching* :D

[akoh]

" Ka-ching " sounds good ! :D

[celticfish]

this is quite hilarous though.
the folks at ZP are so vocal against snubbies.
and the japs are gladly willing to pay premo for them!
though i'm quite fussy about the "natural" shape of a fish the snubbies look quite cute.
i can easily see how the japanese have a market for them.

*KA-CHING* hahaha

[akoh]

Well ! beauty is in the eyes of the beholder !

Anybody know how a ATM machine sounds ? :D

[celticfish]

but i know how they look like "golden eggballs" in my zebra tank! :D

these couple of days two smaller unsexed fish have been trying to get into the alpha-male's tank (i should give him a name soon for the good work!).
with the rains so hard and often these days i'm not shy to say another brood should be coming soon.
if the small fellas turn out to be duds the alpha-female is due sometime 22nd dec.

cycle time for female is between 23 to 26 days from my observation of this female.
any comments on cycle time of yours akoh?

[akoh]

Based on my observation, my female re-cycletime is about a month but that again alot of factor have to be taken into consideration eg water temperature, water parameter etc. :)

[celticfish]

opps, thanks for the picture sotong! ;)

[Titus]

" Ka-ching " sounds good ! :D

Anybody know how a ATM machine sounds ? :D

Ka-ching is Coin sound.

ATM dollars goes "Roll Roll Roll Roll" :p

[celticfish]

gold coins... :p

[eeeeemo]

hey guys.. i am having problems trying to sex my zebbies out! can u guys post photos of your females?? my female seems to be hairy.... but it has a shape of a female..

[Edmundo]

hey guys.. i am having problems trying to sex my zebbies out! can u guys post photos of your females?? my female seems to be hairy.... but it has a shape of a female..

why dun u post some pics here? put it this way, some women do grow moustach........ this is n0t a joke..... and hairy hands too.

[akoh]

Some female plecs do have very short odontodes. Cheers !

[celticfish]

Yesterday ibs, took out a rock and replaced with a DW. When done was going down from the stool, almost fell over... there lying on the floor was a 0.5" baby. Must have **** on the rock and did not let go until too late.

Put it back and it did not swim right....hiaz...hope it will recover. Luckily did not step on it:eek:

gecko,
these guys have a very bad habit of staying on while the "roof is falling".
i had an adult stick to the cave, and silly me didnt peep inside.
fortunately, it struggled out while i was working on the tank.
came back to the bathroom and found it.
this is like 5 minutes later at the minimum.
it was dry and dusty, and croaked when i picked it up... *phew*
dropped it in the tank and it swam like a drunk.
other than a broken portion on the top caudal fin it did recover.

next, i had that happen for a baby and juvenile fish on DW that i took out.
luckily this time i was right in front when they decided to hop off.

after these experiences i'm doubly careful with whatever item i take out of the tank.
also, maybe put the items into a a pail with tank water.
cos you never know how long they will hang on for...

[celticfish]

a bit quite in this thread so... :rolleyes:

four hearts and one eye.
the little redt dots are the hearts.
really cool seeing the pneumatic pumps go! :D
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/11947985eae6d1bf.jpg


five fry from the first season.
they are about 297 to 222 days old.
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/11947985eaea34f9.jpg

[Gecko]

Very nice bro! Saw this pic so many times but enjoy it every time....

Wondering any bros here pick up the juvies from Ark recently and can share pics here...

[akoh]

Very nice bro! Saw this pic so many times but enjoy it every time.......

Keeping zebra is like sex ! its never enough ! :D like what chino used to say : plecoing is better than sex ! :D

[lyh]

a bit quite in this thread so... :rolleyes:

four hearts and one eye.
the little redt dots are the hearts.
really cool seeing the pneumatic pumps go! :D
http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/11947985eae6d1bf.jpg


They are soooo cute but sorry to say when they are young, they do look like otos :D

[Edmundo]

They are soooo cute but sorry to say when they are young, they do look like otos :D

zebra otos? keke :D

[celticfish]

@lyh,
you are quite right that they look like oto's.
especially before the back stripes gets deeper.
there is a stage where the stripes look a little mottled thus giving the oto look.


@akoh and gecko,
yup, you can't ever get enough.
everytime a new spawn comes i'm like a kid with a new toy! :D


i saw a post for 10 pcs at 35mm +/- going at $2600 at AF.
another 1.5" to 2" going at $280 on AF too.
i was wondering if i should compile my thread on the spawning in AQ here...

[akoh]

i saw a post for 10 pcs at 35mm +/- going at $2600 at AF. another 1.5" to 2" going at $280 on AF too.
i was wondering if i should compile my thread on the spawning in AQ here...
Wah sub-adults for sale !, will probably take another year before they are ready and steady !. :D

You should ! I'm sure all the plec kakis will appreciate your input ! :D

[celticfish]

i will have to read my whole thread again.
but that might help jolt my memory on the sequence of events.
okay, will complie the thread and maybe the journal entries too.

[Gecko]

Interesting that a breeding group consists of more females than males....

http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48213

[Edmundo]

Interesting that a breeding group consists of more females than males....

http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48213


Like lion, females live in a pack?

[eeeeemo]

hey guys. dyou all have any females that isnt breeding..? i have a colony of 6.. not sure if got female or not.. thinking of getting a confirmed female to stimulate some action! all of mine are adults.. all 3-3.5inches.. need help in this! i cant think of anywhere else with more zeb keepers than here =(
itl help if someone can allow me to visit their zeb tanks! really want to take a look at other ppl's tanks as the only tank ive seen personally is the NKS one.. and i cant seem to find the adults..

[Edmundo]

hey guys. dyou all have any females that isnt breeding..? i have a colony of 6.. not sure if got female or not.. thinking of getting a confirmed female to stimulate some action! all of mine are adults.. all 3-3.5inches.. need help in this! i cant think of anywhere else with more zeb keepers than here =(
itl help if someone can allow me to visit their zeb tanks! really want to take a look at other ppl's tanks as the only tank ive seen personally is the NKS one.. and i cant seem to find the adults..

Wow tat a good colony of males hopefully some of them will be females :)

[akoh]

Past experience tells me that more female than male is no good ! coz' the male overworked, exhausted and mati very easily ! :(

[eeeeemo]

well i think my problem is that i might not even have one!! honestly.. ive never seen an adult female personally before.. hmmm akoh.. can i pay a visit to ur tank??

[akoh]

well i think my problem is that i might not even have one!! honestly.. ive never seen an adult female personally before.. hmmm akoh.. can i pay a visit to ur tank??

PlecoHut is always close but never closed ! just give me a thinker lor ! :D

[celticfish]

@ eeeeemo,

be prepared to "lau nuah" and spend more time than you plan! :D

you may want to leave them alone for about 6 months before trying stuff.
sometimes meddling with the group can be counter-productive.
i don't there is "instant" zebra breeding formula.
otherwise where got value? :D

[akoh]

@ eeeeemo,

be prepared to "lau nuah" and spend more time than you plan! :D


So better bring along a bib hor ! :D :D

[Gecko]

I bring net and plastic bags.:D

[eeeeemo]

haha no la! i just want to take a look to make sure i have at least one female...

plecohut always close?? where is pleco hut?

[akoh]

haha no la! i just want to take a look to make sure i have at least one female...

plecohut always close?? where is pleco hut?

Close as in " near " lah !, situated in Joo Seng Road at Upper Aljuined. :D

[akoh]

I bring net and plastic bags.:D

Kirara, Yuki and Elfe are already " on alert and standby " :D

[eeeeemo]

here are the pictures.

#1 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/1.jpg

#2 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/2top.jpg

#3 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/3head.jpg

#4 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/4.jpg

#5 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/5.jpg

my estimates were:
#1 male
#2 female
#3 alpha male
#4 male
#5 female

can help me confirm or any other suggestions.

[eeeeemo]

notice all of them are hairy?? im hoping #5 is a very hairy female...
im still looking for a confirmed female to view or purchase.. just to make sure i have at least one.. but the hairs making me think i have all males...

[Gecko]

#2 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/2top.jpg

#5 http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/5.jpg

my estimates were:
#1 male
#2 female
#3 alpha male
#4 male
#5 female

can help me confirm or any other suggestions.

Bro

I'd agree that #2 and #5 are probably female. Their pect fins are not as outward pointing, and not as thick.

[eeeeemo]

=))))))

thanks gecko... but isit usual for females to be thatttt hairy??? if by looking at their cheek hairs, il immediately think they are males......

but anyway.. ive finished compiling all the pics i took of them today.. and look what i found!!!!

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/P2070017.jpg

vs.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/IMG_2879.jpg

ive read before.. the moment you see different looking private parts .. its almost certain that both sexes exist.. tell me its true please~ :confused:

in that case my females are so huge but not settled down enough to be gravid. gotta learn from you guys~~

[Gecko]

Yes, there is an article in planet catfish with pictures, might not be zebras but a very good visual guide. Also do you notice if these 2 suspect females hang out near the caves rather than hiding inside the caves? That is a good sign too although some females do hide in the caves. So it is really a combination of indicators to determine if you have females....patience, I am sure within 6 months, you will be surprised:)

[eeeeemo]

#2 likes to hide in a cave whereas #5 likes to jump on top of #1's cave or hang out around between #3 and #1s cave.

imo, by size and how healthy the fishes are, #1 is the beta male.. #3 is huge.. but i rarely see any activity from him.. maybe eat until fat fat.. always in his cave.. will take more photos..

[eeeeemo]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/P1010006.jpg
my tank setup

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/P1010005.jpg
#5 on top on #1's cave

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/P1010011.jpg
#3

any idea the sex of no.3??

[eeeeemo]

#2 at her cave. http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t297/eeeeemo/P1010012.jpg

[Gecko]

Bro

I will bet #5 is a female, if she hangs there alot, no male will get so close to another...also #3 most likely a male given the battle scars on the side, males get these when fighting for caves...its really not easy to id a female, its a combination of factors....Congrats, I am almost 100% sure that #5 is a female and being so close, its a matter of time when the male will start to entice her in...

[Gecko]

New spawn!:)

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/2447b990223a28c.jpg

[Edmundo]

New spawn!:)

http://www.plecoclub.org/forum/imagehosting/2447b990223a28c.jpg

u make it like so easy............ :p

[Gecko]

I just provide food, caves and good water...I only know there is a spawn when the babies start to come out. :o This time round might have two separate spawns (2 breeding pairs). Two males fanning caves and babies coming in and out of 2 caves...plus I counted 6 babies...in my overly covered tank, normally more than 60% are still hidden...so quite happy:D

[Edmundo]

I just provide food, caves and good water...I only know there is a spawn when the babies start to come out. :o This time round might have two separate spawns (2 breeding pairs). Two males fanning caves and babies coming in and out of 2 caves...plus I counted 6 babies...in my overly covered tank, normally more than 60% are still hidden...so quite happy:D

think now u need 1 thing most...........fish tank! :D

[pleco_newbie]

Hi! I'm new here and hoping to get some L46 to kick start pleco-ing. I've kept different fishes over 6 years and the zebra pleco looks very tempting due to its small size and cuteness. May I know where I will be able to get them? Also, are they seasonal?

[SoToNgMaN]

Hi! I'm new here and hoping to get some L46 to kick start pleco-ing. I've kept different fishes over 6 years and the zebra pleco looks very tempting due to its small size and cuteness. May I know where I will be able to get them? Also, are they seasonal?
the only LFS that I recall having L46 is NKS @ Hougang Block 211 ...

C328 may have a couple .. but subjective ...

they are not considered seasonal anymore .. cos most of them are breeded ... not wild caught ...

P.S. for better "want to buy" response ... try "buy & sell" section of this forum ...

cheers

[Savant]

Sorry to highjack this thread, I am interested in zebras as they look really nice. From the thread I gather that they are also very expensive? Anyone can clue me in on the indicative prices for a juvenille (I will need 6?)

I would like to try breeding a cheaper and possibly easier pleco, but I noticed that there are alot more literature and talk on the zebras. What should I look to then, apart from zebras.

[Edmundo]

Sorry to highjack this thread, I am interested in zebras as they look really nice. From the thread I gather that they are also very expensive? Anyone can clue me in on the indicative prices for a juvenille (I will need 6?)

I would like to try breeding a cheaper and possibly easier pleco, but I noticed that there are alot more literature and talk on the zebras. What should I look to then, apart from zebras.

At this point of time, easily above S$350, you can try NKS. At TW, Water World retail at NT10,000 (all sold, i only get to see the left over poos :mad:).

[celticfish]

Wow, that's like SGD$500 Edmundo! :eek:
Though I know you didn't see them did you ask what were their size?
They've got to be adult at least...

[Edmundo]

Wow, that's like SGD$500 Edmundo! :eek:
Though I know you didn't see them did you ask what were their size?
They've got to be adult at least...

i thiink 3"...............another lfs over there, label "NFS".......... NT10000 is retail price, can nego further but i dun see much discount of tat price...... :)

[celticfish]

*phew* at least they are in the adult size range for that price.
Looks like the demand must be good for you to only see the "poo"... :D
At least our price here hasn't rocketed there yet!
And Thanks for the update!

[Gecko]

1k for 4 or 5 juveniles depending on size or a breeding pair of adults locally seems reasonable compared to Taiwan or UK. Forget Australia....:eek:

[Edmundo]

1k for 4 or 5 juveniles depending on size or a breeding pair of adults locally seems reasonable compared to Taiwan or UK. Forget Australia....:eek:

1k can get 4 -5 juv? where? :)

[celticfish]

Edmundo, ---> here (http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5675344&postcount=18).

[Edmundo]

Edmundo, ---> here (http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5675344&postcount=18).

wow......nvr know he give such good pricing........hmmmmmmmm :rolleyes:

[drakeho]

wow......nvr know he give such good pricing........hmmmmmmmm :rolleyes:

I also dont think so . Went there last month and he wanted to sell @$360 .

[drakeho]

Also would like to find what is the right flow rate of motor for a 2 feet tank for L046 ? Thank you

[Edmundo]

Also would like to find what is the right flow rate of motor for a 2 feet tank for L046 ? Thank you

Im using a fluval 303 at the moment, flow rate should be abt 900l/hr........ they seem fine with it......... other 2ft tanks run on Tetra 90 which i believe is sufficient. :)

[celticfish]

First iteration when spawn happened -
Eden 316 and Eden 501.

Second iteration -
Eheim 2028...

Choice is yours... erm... theirs! :D

[peckio]

I also dont think so . Went there last month and he wanted to sell @$360 .

It actually depends on who u ask & the qty u want to get :rolleyes:

[drakeho]

Thanks for all the reply man ! Haha i am using a 40l per hour one only and tot its ok . Going to change it today for the comfort of my little babies !

[Edmundo]

Thanks for all the reply man ! Haha i am using a 40l per hour one only and tot its ok . Going to change it today for the comfort of my little babies !

Drake, u running on internal powerhead finlter or cannister?

[drakeho]

Drake, u running on internal powerhead finlter or cannister?

not using cannister . Just normal filter to airpump . Going to buy a small cannister and power head now

[celticfish]

You like rolling dice huh drakeho? :D

Anyways I just did a headcount over the weekend.
Enjoy the picture. :)

http://www.aquaticquotient.com/gallery/files/3/4/7/3/brood5to7.JPG

[Edmundo]

not using cannister . Just normal filter to airpump . Going to buy a small cannister and power head now

Dun take chance bro............ :)

You like rolling dice huh drakeho? :D

Anyways I just did a headcount over the weekend.
Enjoy the picture. :)

http://www.aquaticquotient.com/gallery/files/3/4/7/3/brood5to7.JPG

Wow............. tats more den a handful............... well done mate! :)

[barmby]

So nice to see so many babies!!!!!!!

[eeeeemo]

First iteration when spawn happened -
Eden 316 and Eden 501.

Second iteration -
Eheim 2028...

Choice is yours... erm... theirs! :D

with the eheim 2028, did you add an extra powerhead?

[celticfish]

@ barmby,
Thanks!


@ eeeeemo,
Nope.
When they first spawned it was just an eden 501 and 316 for filtration.
The 2028 came later as it was lying around doing zip.